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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/04/24/what-makes-a-woman-a-woman/#comment-6255</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 18:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m surprised you found it notable that there are plenty of pro-choice folks on a site with the word &quot;feminist&quot; emblazoned across the top.  Real observant, Ang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m surprised you found it notable that there are plenty of pro-choice folks on a site with the word &#8220;feminist&#8221; emblazoned across the top.  Real observant, Ang.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/04/24/what-makes-a-woman-a-woman/#comment-6254</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 18:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Angie, it doesn&#039;t bother me.  How long until you start using language speaking of an &quot;abortion holocaust&quot; and comparing us to Nazis?

Doesn&#039;t it bother you that the government and your anti-abortion cronies think it&#039;s worse to allow women to exercise basic rights regarding healthcare than to tie women&#039;s lifelong opportunities to their reproductive organs?

And how do you feel about birth control?  How does the pro-life movement feel about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/05/03/the-battle-over-birth-control/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;birth control&lt;/a&gt;?  

If you want a real debate, step on out of the archives and participate in some active posts.  Dropping by a week-old post in which the comments are about to be closed is rather lame, don&#039;t you think?

Cheers yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Angie, it doesn&#8217;t bother me.  How long until you start using language speaking of an &#8220;abortion holocaust&#8221; and comparing us to Nazis?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it bother you that the government and your anti-abortion cronies think it&#8217;s worse to allow women to exercise basic rights regarding healthcare than to tie women&#8217;s lifelong opportunities to their reproductive organs?</p>
<p>And how do you feel about birth control?  How does the pro-life movement feel about <a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/05/03/the-battle-over-birth-control/" rel="nofollow">birth control</a>?  </p>
<p>If you want a real debate, step on out of the archives and participate in some active posts.  Dropping by a week-old post in which the comments are about to be closed is rather lame, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>Cheers yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like we got a lot of pro-choice folks on this website.  And apparently  you&#039;re all more concerned that an individual will usurp total power in American government, suppress the human rights of all women, and create a human holocaust than the fact that 40+ million babies have been murdered since the Roe v. Wade decision.

While it&#039;s always good to be vigilant of threats to our government,  you are overlooking the fact that the courts, with their life-time appointments and propensity to legislate from the bench have already usurped power designated specifically to Congress. Further, you are overlooking the fact that the human rights of all unborn infants (half of them would have been &quot;future women&quot;) have already been suppressed, and intentional murder of 40 million individuals because they are too weak to defend themselves is by definition a holocaust. 

Abortion is not the &quot;law&quot; - it was a decision made by the supreme court. Never went through the legislative process to become law. We as citizens had no say over the matter. That doesn&#039;t bother you?

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like we got a lot of pro-choice folks on this website.  And apparently  you&#8217;re all more concerned that an individual will usurp total power in American government, suppress the human rights of all women, and create a human holocaust than the fact that 40+ million babies have been murdered since the Roe v. Wade decision.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s always good to be vigilant of threats to our government,  you are overlooking the fact that the courts, with their life-time appointments and propensity to legislate from the bench have already usurped power designated specifically to Congress. Further, you are overlooking the fact that the human rights of all unborn infants (half of them would have been &#8220;future women&#8221;) have already been suppressed, and intentional murder of 40 million individuals because they are too weak to defend themselves is by definition a holocaust. </p>
<p>Abortion is not the &#8220;law&#8221; &#8211; it was a decision made by the supreme court. Never went through the legislative process to become law. We as citizens had no say over the matter. That doesn&#8217;t bother you?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/04/24/what-makes-a-woman-a-woman/#comment-6242</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 16:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority</a></p>
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		<title>By: sheila</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/04/24/what-makes-a-woman-a-woman/#comment-6213</link>
		<dc:creator>sheila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 15:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXACT TEXT FROM BILL: 
(6) WOMAN- The term `woman&#039; means a female human being who is capable of becoming pregnant, whether or not she has reached the age of majority.
(majority?)
this explains everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXACT TEXT FROM BILL:<br />
(6) WOMAN- The term `woman&#8217; means a female human being who is capable of becoming pregnant, whether or not she has reached the age of majority.<br />
(majority?)<br />
this explains everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/04/24/what-makes-a-woman-a-woman/#comment-6193</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 05:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to #25
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;Reply to #1
http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/jamie.htm
There is no evidence that Curtis is intersex (XXY or otherwise)&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

THANK YOU!  Whoever said Ms. Curtis has Klinefelter&#039;s Syndrome (aka 47XXY) obviously knows nothing about the subject.  Children with Klinefelter&#039;s Syndrome are in the small category of intersexed children who are raised male.&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to #25</p>
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&#8220;Reply to #1<br />
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/jamie.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/jamie.htm</a><br />
There is no evidence that Curtis is intersex (XXY or otherwise)&#8221;
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<p>THANK YOU!  Whoever said Ms. Curtis has Klinefelter&#8217;s Syndrome (aka 47XXY) obviously knows nothing about the subject.  Children with Klinefelter&#8217;s Syndrome are in the small category of intersexed children who are raised male.<em></em></p>
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		<title>By: White Willow</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/04/24/what-makes-a-woman-a-woman/#comment-6163</link>
		<dc:creator>White Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: John in reply 23

Yes. I have to agree with James in reply #24. In pre-war II Germany, the very FIRST, think Hitler started to do, and I mean &lt;strong&gt;before&lt;/strong&gt; he had gotten to be ruler of the country, was to start redefining words in legal documents and &lt;strong&gt;eventually&lt;/strong&gt;, in the dictionary. This had two effects, the one James is referring to as legal precedent and second, the youth of the current and following generation had different concepts of the words and their meaning. Why is this a concern? Example:

Jew: a person of the jewish religion or ancestry

Jew: a person considered a threat to the moral functioning of a society, to be viewed with distrust and alarm.

Hitler and friends actually did this kind of thing way before they got to power. One can see that depending on how a person is raised, under which dictionary definition and common usage, a person&#039;s perception of a &#039;Jew,&#039; could be quite different. 

As a lesbian in Canada the GLBTQ community is very aware of the power of language. It&#039;s why you&#039;ll find us using &#039;queer,&#039; for example. Historically &#039;queer,&#039; is a word that is used by heterosexuals to denigrate, insult and devalue a homosexual person, &quot;What are you? Some kinda queer?&quot; In the 1980&#039;s and up, GLBT people starting reclaiming the word as in &#039;queer politics,&#039; whereby Queer: is a gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender person OR a heterosexual person whose sexual identity or sexual desires are &#039;transgressive,&#039; or outside the accepted &#039;norms,&#039; of mainstream society, for example heterosexuals involved in BDSM relationships whether play or lifestyle. 

As one can see depending on the meaning or definition of the word, response to it and the people it defines can be be of two or more extremes. I personally think people should be very, very worried about a a &lt;strong&gt;legal precedent&lt;/strong&gt; which &lt;strong&gt;redefines&lt;/strong&gt;what a woman is according to &lt;strong&gt;the law,&lt;/strong&gt;regardless of &lt;strong&gt;what law&lt;/strong&gt;it starts in. 

Jew: a citizen of Germany of jewish ancestry or religion

Jew: Under German law this type of person is not considered a citizen.

Pretty ominous. Why be alarmed? Ever hear of the concept of history repeating itself? Certain things happened before the Nazis were in full power and those certain things are happening within your country. &lt;strong&gt;Including&lt;/strong&gt; the redefinitions of legal entities such as &#039;woman.&#039; 

The whole world is alarmed at what is happening in your country, the question is...why isn&#039;t the majority of your population? Or is information such as this kept from them, the &#039;digital divide,&#039; etc.? And please...

Don&#039;t call me, &#039;Anti-American.&#039; I live right above you, I watch most of your shows participate alot in your cultures, my trade is tied to your economy, I go on vacations to your country, and I, speaking personally now, not as a Canadian, actually at first supported your governments entrance into Iraq...If your friends can&#039;t tell you when they think you&#039;re in trouble...who can? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: John in reply 23</p>
<p>Yes. I have to agree with James in reply #24. In pre-war II Germany, the very FIRST, think Hitler started to do, and I mean <strong>before</strong> he had gotten to be ruler of the country, was to start redefining words in legal documents and <strong>eventually</strong>, in the dictionary. This had two effects, the one James is referring to as legal precedent and second, the youth of the current and following generation had different concepts of the words and their meaning. Why is this a concern? Example:</p>
<p>Jew: a person of the jewish religion or ancestry</p>
<p>Jew: a person considered a threat to the moral functioning of a society, to be viewed with distrust and alarm.</p>
<p>Hitler and friends actually did this kind of thing way before they got to power. One can see that depending on how a person is raised, under which dictionary definition and common usage, a person&#8217;s perception of a &#8216;Jew,&#8217; could be quite different. </p>
<p>As a lesbian in Canada the GLBTQ community is very aware of the power of language. It&#8217;s why you&#8217;ll find us using &#8216;queer,&#8217; for example. Historically &#8216;queer,&#8217; is a word that is used by heterosexuals to denigrate, insult and devalue a homosexual person, &#8220;What are you? Some kinda queer?&#8221; In the 1980&#8242;s and up, GLBT people starting reclaiming the word as in &#8216;queer politics,&#8217; whereby Queer: is a gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender person OR a heterosexual person whose sexual identity or sexual desires are &#8216;transgressive,&#8217; or outside the accepted &#8216;norms,&#8217; of mainstream society, for example heterosexuals involved in BDSM relationships whether play or lifestyle. </p>
<p>As one can see depending on the meaning or definition of the word, response to it and the people it defines can be be of two or more extremes. I personally think people should be very, very worried about a a <strong>legal precedent</strong> which <strong>redefines</strong>what a woman is according to <strong>the law,</strong>regardless of <strong>what law</strong>it starts in. </p>
<p>Jew: a citizen of Germany of jewish ancestry or religion</p>
<p>Jew: Under German law this type of person is not considered a citizen.</p>
<p>Pretty ominous. Why be alarmed? Ever hear of the concept of history repeating itself? Certain things happened before the Nazis were in full power and those certain things are happening within your country. <strong>Including</strong> the redefinitions of legal entities such as &#8216;woman.&#8217; </p>
<p>The whole world is alarmed at what is happening in your country, the question is&#8230;why isn&#8217;t the majority of your population? Or is information such as this kept from them, the &#8216;digital divide,&#8217; etc.? And please&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t call me, &#8216;Anti-American.&#8217; I live right above you, I watch most of your shows participate alot in your cultures, my trade is tied to your economy, I go on vacations to your country, and I, speaking personally now, not as a Canadian, actually at first supported your governments entrance into Iraq&#8230;If your friends can&#8217;t tell you when they think you&#8217;re in trouble&#8230;who can?</p>
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		<title>By: Fyr</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/04/24/what-makes-a-woman-a-woman/#comment-6113</link>
		<dc:creator>Fyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief. I am speechless.... which holes do these people crawl out of? Geez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief. I am speechless&#8230;. which holes do these people crawl out of? Geez.</p>
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		<title>By: the ::fyr:: mind  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; rough couple of days</title>
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		<dc:creator>the ::fyr:: mind  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; rough couple of days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] jokes, etc.) soon&#8230;.  	*sigh* 	Life&#8217;s a &#8230;. conundrum.  	(Edit: Had to add this link that I just stumbled on&#8230;. WTF!!??!!!!  )             [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] jokes, etc.) soon&#8230;.  	*sigh* 	Life&#8217;s a &#8230;. conundrum.  	(Edit: Had to add this link that I just stumbled on&#8230;. WTF!!??!!!!  )             [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deni</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/04/24/what-makes-a-woman-a-woman/#comment-6094</link>
		<dc:creator>Deni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-
There&#039;s really no need to redefine the word woman for this bill.  We COULD just use the words that the english language has already provided us with.

female of childbearing age, for example, fertile female, etc.

I was unable to see the bill itself, but any time a word is redefined, it&#039;s important to understand why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-<br />
There&#8217;s really no need to redefine the word woman for this bill.  We COULD just use the words that the english language has already provided us with.</p>
<p>female of childbearing age, for example, fertile female, etc.</p>
<p>I was unable to see the bill itself, but any time a word is redefined, it&#8217;s important to understand why.</p>
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