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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: medbh</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8822</link>
		<dc:creator>medbh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ohh, I am so late with this post..but.. that is because I was sent to Gitfem for having hairy legs--blondy reddish hair at that. And you know what that means---it&#039;s light, it&#039;s hard to see, it&#039;s hard to tell if you are one of &quot;them&quot; women studies perps( dare we say terrorists?)...a possible light haired &quot;terrofeministgent.&quot;

Alas, here I sit, thinking...umm.. thought, that I would be rescued soon, by a wannabe in disguise, liberal soldier in donkey print khakis, pen cocked and strapped to his thigh, ready to fight the invincible repugs to the democratic death for me and my rights as an American Human......

but, alas, my rescuer doth not showeth, and I languish in my prison still, waiting for freedom, waiting for my voice to be heard....

and then, the voice, unseen, that whispereth through the cells..

You, unfair maiden, I will never come for. 

There are Important WARS that I need to Battle for, there are IMPORTANT, FREEDOM DEFYING, ugly REPUGLICANS I MUST PIRECE MY PEN(is) LANCE THROUGH.

I will not, fair and hairy maiden, be able to fight any battles for you. But, my sweet and unfaltering dove, know that as you languish in the horrid Gitfem, that, even as you grow yet older and hairyer, in my strong mind&#039;s eye, you will always be that fair and wilting flower I once knew (and forever secretely despised).

Never demanding, always acquiesing, always waiting for the day when, I am released from the fierce battles of MEN, so that you can render me your womanly comfort(MAKE SURE THAT YOU SHAVE FIRST!!!).

Signed, YOUR HERO,
KOS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ohh, I am so late with this post..but.. that is because I was sent to Gitfem for having hairy legs&#8211;blondy reddish hair at that. And you know what that means&#8212;it&#8217;s light, it&#8217;s hard to see, it&#8217;s hard to tell if you are one of &#8220;them&#8221; women studies perps( dare we say terrorists?)&#8230;a possible light haired &#8220;terrofeministgent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alas, here I sit, thinking&#8230;umm.. thought, that I would be rescued soon, by a wannabe in disguise, liberal soldier in donkey print khakis, pen cocked and strapped to his thigh, ready to fight the invincible repugs to the democratic death for me and my rights as an American Human&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>but, alas, my rescuer doth not showeth, and I languish in my prison still, waiting for freedom, waiting for my voice to be heard&#8230;.</p>
<p>and then, the voice, unseen, that whispereth through the cells..</p>
<p>You, unfair maiden, I will never come for. </p>
<p>There are Important WARS that I need to Battle for, there are IMPORTANT, FREEDOM DEFYING, ugly REPUGLICANS I MUST PIRECE MY PEN(is) LANCE THROUGH.</p>
<p>I will not, fair and hairy maiden, be able to fight any battles for you. But, my sweet and unfaltering dove, know that as you languish in the horrid Gitfem, that, even as you grow yet older and hairyer, in my strong mind&#8217;s eye, you will always be that fair and wilting flower I once knew (and forever secretely despised).</p>
<p>Never demanding, always acquiesing, always waiting for the day when, I am released from the fierce battles of MEN, so that you can render me your womanly comfort(MAKE SURE THAT YOU SHAVE FIRST!!!).</p>
<p>Signed, YOUR HERO,<br />
KOS</p>
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		<title>By: The Tattered Coat  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; The Life of the Party</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8794</link>
		<dc:creator>The Tattered Coat  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; The Life of the Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 5  	 			 					In recent weeks, a number of influential bloggers, such as Richard, Shelley, Lauren, and Chris, have expressed frustration with the Democratic Party. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 5  	 			 					In recent weeks, a number of influential bloggers, such as Richard, Shelley, Lauren, and Chris, have expressed frustration with the Democratic Party. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: where</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8710</link>
		<dc:creator>where</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women at the grassroots of the Democratic party deserve a great deal of credit and respect.  We are awesome! There would be no Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Barak Obama without us.

But do we get the respect we deserve?  Paul Begala (extremely well paid democratic consultant) was on CNN&#039;s &quot;Inside Politics&quot; show the other day talking about how Dean was sent out to stir up the grassroots of the party and raise a lot of money from them.  Meanwhile Pelosi, Reid, and Biden would calm down the DLC/Corporate/Big Money wing of the party.  And yes, the grassroots will get mad when the party runs to the right, but &quot;WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO?&quot;  THEY&#039;VE GOT NOWHERE ELSE TO GO!&quot;

I&#039;m so tired of that argument - it actually makes me sick to my stomach.  It&#039;s basically very un-American.  I resent not having options.  I resent being told I can give lots of money (and I have), but I have no right to have my views taken seriously within the party.  I resent the hell out of that. And I personally cannot take it anymore.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women at the grassroots of the Democratic party deserve a great deal of credit and respect.  We are awesome! There would be no Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Barak Obama without us.</p>
<p>But do we get the respect we deserve?  Paul Begala (extremely well paid democratic consultant) was on CNN&#8217;s &#8220;Inside Politics&#8221; show the other day talking about how Dean was sent out to stir up the grassroots of the party and raise a lot of money from them.  Meanwhile Pelosi, Reid, and Biden would calm down the DLC/Corporate/Big Money wing of the party.  And yes, the grassroots will get mad when the party runs to the right, but &#8220;WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO?&#8221;  THEY&#8217;VE GOT NOWHERE ELSE TO GO!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so tired of that argument &#8211; it actually makes me sick to my stomach.  It&#8217;s basically very un-American.  I resent not having options.  I resent being told I can give lots of money (and I have), but I have no right to have my views taken seriously within the party.  I resent the hell out of that. And I personally cannot take it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny K</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8709</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to Amanda and SimoneDB points:

What also ends up happening is that women are less likely to volunteer (or donate), and as someone pointed out at on another blog (I can&#039;t remember who) &lt;i&gt;a lot&lt;/i&gt; of the footsoldiers for the Democratic party are women.  How many more would they have if they reached out to women?  How many are they going to lose if they keep up the attitude that birth control is a &quot;special right&quot;?

And, again, as someone else already pointed out elsewhere, anyone who thinks that women can&#039;t win elections for the Dems has completely forgotten the fallout from the Clarence Thomas hearings.  When women are motivated to vote in their self-interests they can make a big difference, and this usually works to the Dems advantage.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to Amanda and SimoneDB points:</p>
<p>What also ends up happening is that women are less likely to volunteer (or donate), and as someone pointed out at on another blog (I can&#8217;t remember who) <i>a lot</i> of the footsoldiers for the Democratic party are women.  How many more would they have if they reached out to women?  How many are they going to lose if they keep up the attitude that birth control is a &#8220;special right&#8221;?</p>
<p>And, again, as someone else already pointed out elsewhere, anyone who thinks that women can&#8217;t win elections for the Dems has completely forgotten the fallout from the Clarence Thomas hearings.  When women are motivated to vote in their self-interests they can make a big difference, and this usually works to the Dems advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: where</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8704</link>
		<dc:creator>where</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whichever party one chooses, at some point we are all going to have to get better at advocating effectively for women&#039;s issues.  It&#039;s hard.  It hurts when people don&#039;t understand us and say rude and harsh things.  But we have to learn to push back, firmly but with compassion, and without getting upset about it.  

To quote Donald Rumsfeld (which I almost never do) It&#039;s going to be a long slog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whichever party one chooses, at some point we are all going to have to get better at advocating effectively for women&#8217;s issues.  It&#8217;s hard.  It hurts when people don&#8217;t understand us and say rude and harsh things.  But we have to learn to push back, firmly but with compassion, and without getting upset about it.  </p>
<p>To quote Donald Rumsfeld (which I almost never do) It&#8217;s going to be a long slog.</p>
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		<title>By: sonny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8700</link>
		<dc:creator>sonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, I think you&#039;ve described a great opportunity.  We always have to keep in mind what it was like for the first suffragettes, or the first union organizers.  If there&#039;s not much Green party organizing going on, it&#039;s a blank slate, ready for action!

People really are searching for alternatives.  They just can&#039;t stomach politics as usual.

My philosophy is &quot;Organize Green, vote strategically.&quot;

Sometimes I&#039;ll vote for a Dem, sometimes a Green, sometimes an Independent.  But by organizing Green, there can be central place and message and community.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, I think you&#8217;ve described a great opportunity.  We always have to keep in mind what it was like for the first suffragettes, or the first union organizers.  If there&#8217;s not much Green party organizing going on, it&#8217;s a blank slate, ready for action!</p>
<p>People really are searching for alternatives.  They just can&#8217;t stomach politics as usual.</p>
<p>My philosophy is &#8220;Organize Green, vote strategically.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes I&#8217;ll vote for a Dem, sometimes a Green, sometimes an Independent.  But by organizing Green, there can be central place and message and community.</p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8699</link>
		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own experiences with the campus, local, and state Greens also left me with some apprehension.

Yes, the Green Party has a 10-point platform.  For the most part, that platform is the same, nationally and internationally.  However, like any other platform, how it plays out in reality can often be much different than the ideal.  Prior to the 2000 election, there was a long discussion on my state&#039;s listserve about how feminism shouldn&#039;t be part of the platform.  The point was driven home by an MRA who made it clear that he blamed feminism for the judge in his divorce case granting custody to his kids to his ex-wife, even though she was &quot;abusive and a bad mother&quot; (his words).

After seeing how many agreed with him (and getting slammed by 50-100 emails a day) I couldn&#039;t take it any longer and got off the listserve, so I have no idea how it played out, but it definitely opened my eyes to the reality of progressive politics.

My other problem with the Greens is that they pride themselves on being non-hierarchical.  This is, in theory, a good position, but again, in reality, means that there are as many opinions on various positions as there are people, and very little communication and support between the numerous chapters.  In some places, the Greens are people who are concerned with the environment and don&#039;t really care about anything else; in other places, they&#039;re against classism, but not in a socialist way.  This is obviously a similar problem with Democrats as well, it just seems that it&#039;s exacerbated with the Greens.  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that most people in the party (around here anyway) come into it with pretty strong beliefs and are usually active in those areas.

I also agree with Linnaeus about the upper-class thing; I live in a college town, so the local party is full of professors, and very few (if any) minorities or working-class people.

In general, the Greens seem to be lacking a cohesive message.  And, while they seem to be doing well in California, have been losing steam in other places.  Hell, our campus group has completely fallen apart.  Five years ago we had over 200 members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own experiences with the campus, local, and state Greens also left me with some apprehension.</p>
<p>Yes, the Green Party has a 10-point platform.  For the most part, that platform is the same, nationally and internationally.  However, like any other platform, how it plays out in reality can often be much different than the ideal.  Prior to the 2000 election, there was a long discussion on my state&#8217;s listserve about how feminism shouldn&#8217;t be part of the platform.  The point was driven home by an MRA who made it clear that he blamed feminism for the judge in his divorce case granting custody to his kids to his ex-wife, even though she was &#8220;abusive and a bad mother&#8221; (his words).</p>
<p>After seeing how many agreed with him (and getting slammed by 50-100 emails a day) I couldn&#8217;t take it any longer and got off the listserve, so I have no idea how it played out, but it definitely opened my eyes to the reality of progressive politics.</p>
<p>My other problem with the Greens is that they pride themselves on being non-hierarchical.  This is, in theory, a good position, but again, in reality, means that there are as many opinions on various positions as there are people, and very little communication and support between the numerous chapters.  In some places, the Greens are people who are concerned with the environment and don&#8217;t really care about anything else; in other places, they&#8217;re against classism, but not in a socialist way.  This is obviously a similar problem with Democrats as well, it just seems that it&#8217;s exacerbated with the Greens.  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that most people in the party (around here anyway) come into it with pretty strong beliefs and are usually active in those areas.</p>
<p>I also agree with Linnaeus about the upper-class thing; I live in a college town, so the local party is full of professors, and very few (if any) minorities or working-class people.</p>
<p>In general, the Greens seem to be lacking a cohesive message.  And, while they seem to be doing well in California, have been losing steam in other places.  Hell, our campus group has completely fallen apart.  Five years ago we had over 200 members.</p>
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		<title>By: sonny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8690</link>
		<dc:creator>sonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A strong green party may be the only thing that saves the Democratic party.

At the moment, the pinnacle of sophisticated thinking in the leadership of the Democratic party is that progressives can be &quot;triangulated&quot; in true Clinton style.  &quot;We&#039;ll give them Dean, we&#039;ll take their money, but we&#039;ll also make sure to placate the big corporate/lobby money by having Biden, Pelosi, and Reid &quot;distance&quot; themselves from his remarks.

Frankly that strategy is just plain insulting to the intelligence of every American who can read.  Once again, they don&#039;t want to have the difficult discussions - instead they create a paperthin blanket thinking they can cover up their corruption.  &quot;Just say what they want to hear&quot; does not work anymore.

The progressives in the Democratic party won&#039;t have any real influence in the party until Dems start feeling real heat (as in losing elections) from the Greens.  Progressives will NEVER be able to match the money from the lobbyists.  All we have is our votes and they won&#039;t take us seriously until corrupt and conservative Democrats start losing elections.  Yep, they will probably lose those elections to Republicans.  But maybe then they will start to value and even court the progressive vote.

It&#039;s the only way the Dems can recover their soul.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A strong green party may be the only thing that saves the Democratic party.</p>
<p>At the moment, the pinnacle of sophisticated thinking in the leadership of the Democratic party is that progressives can be &#8220;triangulated&#8221; in true Clinton style.  &#8220;We&#8217;ll give them Dean, we&#8217;ll take their money, but we&#8217;ll also make sure to placate the big corporate/lobby money by having Biden, Pelosi, and Reid &#8220;distance&#8221; themselves from his remarks.</p>
<p>Frankly that strategy is just plain insulting to the intelligence of every American who can read.  Once again, they don&#8217;t want to have the difficult discussions &#8211; instead they create a paperthin blanket thinking they can cover up their corruption.  &#8220;Just say what they want to hear&#8221; does not work anymore.</p>
<p>The progressives in the Democratic party won&#8217;t have any real influence in the party until Dems start feeling real heat (as in losing elections) from the Greens.  Progressives will NEVER be able to match the money from the lobbyists.  All we have is our votes and they won&#8217;t take us seriously until corrupt and conservative Democrats start losing elections.  Yep, they will probably lose those elections to Republicans.  But maybe then they will start to value and even court the progressive vote.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the only way the Dems can recover their soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Linnaeus</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/06/13/yowzas/#comment-8645</link>
		<dc:creator>Linnaeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re very welcome, Sydney.  And who knows?  You may find the situation where you live to be very different than it was in my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re very welcome, Sydney.  And who knows?  You may find the situation where you live to be very different than it was in my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Sydney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sydney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Linneaus. I appreciate your explanation of concerns. I do think you make some valid points and I will have to do some more research and think more about how I personally stand. But if nothing else, I’m glad the debate on kos has occurred. I think that it has allowed a serious issue- the marginalization of issues important to so-called “special interests groups- to be openly addressed rather than quietly grumbled about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Linneaus. I appreciate your explanation of concerns. I do think you make some valid points and I will have to do some more research and think more about how I personally stand. But if nothing else, I’m glad the debate on kos has occurred. I think that it has allowed a serious issue- the marginalization of issues important to so-called “special interests groups- to be openly addressed rather than quietly grumbled about.</p>
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