<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Diversity of the Nude American Female</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/</link>
	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:50:52 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	
	<item>
		<title>By: nipnic</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10890</link>
		<dc:creator>nipnic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10890</guid>
		<description>Debbie, the photos were originally published in a book called &quot;Americans 1.0, Los Angeles 1994&quot; by artist Akira Gomi.Here you can get more information:
http://photoguidejapan.com/books/nudes2/ameri.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie, the photos were originally published in a book called &#8220;Americans 1.0, Los Angeles 1994&#8243; by artist Akira Gomi.Here you can get more information:<br />
<a href="http://photoguidejapan.com/books/nudes2/ameri.html" rel="nofollow">http://photoguidejapan.com/books/nudes2/ameri.html</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Debbie Notkin</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10863</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Notkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10863</guid>
		<description>Just to let you know that that photographic set on Flickr is now  marked &quot;private&quot; and neither the photos nor the comments are available. I&#039;m sorry; I really wanted to see them.

Laurie Toby Edison and I will very likely comment on this entry on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.laurietobyedison.com/discuss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Body Impolitic&lt;/a&gt; in the next day or two, although not in as much detail as we would if we could see the photographs. If anyone knows where the originals were shown, or another web source to see them, we would much appreciate it.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let you know that that photographic set on Flickr is now  marked &#8220;private&#8221; and neither the photos nor the comments are available. I&#8217;m sorry; I really wanted to see them.</p>
<p>Laurie Toby Edison and I will very likely comment on this entry on <a href="http://www.laurietobyedison.com/discuss" rel="nofollow">Body Impolitic</a> in the next day or two, although not in as much detail as we would if we could see the photographs. If anyone knows where the originals were shown, or another web source to see them, we would much appreciate it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: badgerbag</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10816</link>
		<dc:creator>badgerbag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10816</guid>
		<description>Two links - one to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.laurietobyedison.com/weblog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Body Impolitic&lt;/a&gt;, a blog that discusses body image, and one to their gallery for the book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.laurietobyedison.com/galleryFM.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Familiar Men&lt;/a&gt;, with nude portraits of men &quot;not conventionally attractive&quot;.   There&#039;s good discussion on that blog of just these issues!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two links &#8211; one to <a href="http://www.laurietobyedison.com/weblog/" rel="nofollow">Body Impolitic</a>, a blog that discusses body image, and one to their gallery for the book <a href="http://www.laurietobyedison.com/galleryFM.asp" rel="nofollow">Familiar Men</a>, with nude portraits of men &#8220;not conventionally attractive&#8221;.   There&#8217;s good discussion on that blog of just these issues!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10814</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10814</guid>
		<description>Thomas:
&lt;blockquote&gt;So many breast implants. They stick out like a sore thumb.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I noticed that too.  Quite disappointing considering the &quot;naturalness&quot; (is that a word?) of the photos.  It felt like an interruption of the brevity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas:</p>
<blockquote><p>So many breast implants. They stick out like a sore thumb.</p></blockquote>
<p>I noticed that too.  Quite disappointing considering the &#8220;naturalness&#8221; (is that a word?) of the photos.  It felt like an interruption of the brevity.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: nipnic</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10812</link>
		<dc:creator>nipnic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10812</guid>
		<description>The project reminds me a bit of Vanessa Breecroft´s recent work. In her installations she often uses the nude female body to explore beauty and voyeurism. You can see photos of her 2005 show here:

http://www.rp-online.de/public/bildershow_main/magazin/kultur/news/7566?picture_id=0

It is interesting that in these photos happens exactly what Feministe noticed: while the women are all of different age and shape their body types still seem to be within a certain frame. They almost become indistinguishable as individuals what perhaps shall communicate the message that we are all pretty much alike in our differences, it is the nuances you have to look out for. What is remarkable is how much posing and pouting (and photoshopping!) makes a difference to nudity. A naked body is just a naked body in the sense as Miss Lori said. Just a little leaning to the side, up or down or giving a certain look would change the whole setting. It is interesting to standardize nude bodies to be able to compare or enjoy physical parts without sexual connotations. Although you could also say taking away the range of personal expression limits beauty. 

Personally the archiver and collector in me finds the systematic approach to female nudity interesting but I miss the context and credit  - what was it intended for and by whom (exhibit, show, book), why is it now seen on a Flickr account of a 19 year old guy and how would the women like that? The platform of female nudity is still important...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The project reminds me a bit of Vanessa Breecroft´s recent work. In her installations she often uses the nude female body to explore beauty and voyeurism. You can see photos of her 2005 show here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rp-online.de/public/bildershow_main/magazin/kultur/news/7566?picture_id=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.rp-online.de/public/bildershow_main/magazin/kultur/news/7566?picture_id=0</a></p>
<p>It is interesting that in these photos happens exactly what Feministe noticed: while the women are all of different age and shape their body types still seem to be within a certain frame. They almost become indistinguishable as individuals what perhaps shall communicate the message that we are all pretty much alike in our differences, it is the nuances you have to look out for. What is remarkable is how much posing and pouting (and photoshopping!) makes a difference to nudity. A naked body is just a naked body in the sense as Miss Lori said. Just a little leaning to the side, up or down or giving a certain look would change the whole setting. It is interesting to standardize nude bodies to be able to compare or enjoy physical parts without sexual connotations. Although you could also say taking away the range of personal expression limits beauty. </p>
<p>Personally the archiver and collector in me finds the systematic approach to female nudity interesting but I miss the context and credit  &#8211; what was it intended for and by whom (exhibit, show, book), why is it now seen on a Flickr account of a 19 year old guy and how would the women like that? The platform of female nudity is still important&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10805</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10805</guid>
		<description>I looked at the photos at home.  My thoughts:

(1) so much social messaging is in the clothes.  Obvious, but still striking when presented so forcefully.
(2) There isn&#039;t all that much variation at all here.  It&#039;s a display of the variation in women&#039;s bodies within a select age and weight range, excluding outliers.  They exclude the very skinny, the fat, the old, the young (though, that for obvious reasons) and the disabled.  I also would like to have seen a power athlete in the bunch.  
(3) So many breast implants.  They stick out like a sore thumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at the photos at home.  My thoughts:</p>
<p>(1) so much social messaging is in the clothes.  Obvious, but still striking when presented so forcefully.<br />
(2) There isn&#8217;t all that much variation at all here.  It&#8217;s a display of the variation in women&#8217;s bodies within a select age and weight range, excluding outliers.  They exclude the very skinny, the fat, the old, the young (though, that for obvious reasons) and the disabled.  I also would like to have seen a power athlete in the bunch.<br />
(3) So many breast implants.  They stick out like a sore thumb.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dunc</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10802</link>
		<dc:creator>Dunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10802</guid>
		<description>Well, I&#039;m not sure that it&#039;s straight misogyny... There have been all sorts of strict proscriptions about &quot;ideal&quot; body-shape, for both women and men, for very long periods of time. For example, during the Stuart period (I think, I get confused sometimes), it was de reguire for men to have &quot;athletic&quot; calves, and the fashions of the time emphasised this. It was quite common during that period for men to stuff their stockings, in much the same way as it&#039;s now common for small-breasted women to stuff their bras. And the current female &quot;ideal&quot; would have been regarded as deeply freakish and unnatural for most of history, despite the existence of equally strong mysogynist tendencies and prescriptions for the &quot;ideal&quot; of the day. Fat was considered the height of fashion once.

There&#039;s certainly &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; which makes people faddish when it comes to body shape, but I&#039;m not sure that we&#039;ve identified it correctly yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s straight misogyny&#8230; There have been all sorts of strict proscriptions about &#8220;ideal&#8221; body-shape, for both women and men, for very long periods of time. For example, during the Stuart period (I think, I get confused sometimes), it was de reguire for men to have &#8220;athletic&#8221; calves, and the fashions of the time emphasised this. It was quite common during that period for men to stuff their stockings, in much the same way as it&#8217;s now common for small-breasted women to stuff their bras. And the current female &#8220;ideal&#8221; would have been regarded as deeply freakish and unnatural for most of history, despite the existence of equally strong mysogynist tendencies and prescriptions for the &#8220;ideal&#8221; of the day. Fat was considered the height of fashion once.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s certainly <i>something</i> which makes people faddish when it comes to body shape, but I&#8217;m not sure that we&#8217;ve identified it correctly yet&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10798</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10798</guid>
		<description>Most of the women hv flat stomach.. wat about pics on pregnant women? &amp; yes, like 1 comment - disabled women? 

To say that men do not care about their appearances is misleading. Some men preen more than women. It&#039;s not constrained to sexual preferences too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the women hv flat stomach.. wat about pics on pregnant women? &amp; yes, like 1 comment &#8211; disabled women? </p>
<p>To say that men do not care about their appearances is misleading. Some men preen more than women. It&#8217;s not constrained to sexual preferences too.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10778</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10778</guid>
		<description>Oscar: Why do you think commercials, television shows, and movies choose to portray this body ideal? Could it be because they are pandering to male sexism? Could it be because these corporations are often run by sexist men? You can&#039;t just blame misogynist attitudes on &quot;commercialism.&quot; There&#039;s no invisible hand forcing movies to propagate the beauty myth. Misogyny in individual humans is ultimately to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar: Why do you think commercials, television shows, and movies choose to portray this body ideal? Could it be because they are pandering to male sexism? Could it be because these corporations are often run by sexist men? You can&#8217;t just blame misogynist attitudes on &#8220;commercialism.&#8221; There&#8217;s no invisible hand forcing movies to propagate the beauty myth. Misogyny in individual humans is ultimately to blame.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: miss lori</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10777</link>
		<dc:creator>miss lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/12/diversity-of-the-nude-american-female/#comment-10777</guid>
		<description>While i was watching this ms. lauren walked into the room and asked me if i thought these photos were incredible.  umm, no.

and not because these women were naked and average.

 simply because nude people are nude people.  i spent two years studying massage therapy and was around bodies all day every day.  the people that you see as stereotypically &quot;beautiful&quot;, the girls on the covers of magazines and the women you see in all forms of media are not good ideals for the human body, for me, it&#039;s not about trying to attain some out there standard of beauty either.

it&#039;s simply because the &quot;ideal&quot; body is a raging pain in the ass to massage, it&#039;s no fun.  none.  there&#039;s no muscle mass there, you&#039;re constantly running into bones and feeling like you could break them.  some of the most beautiful people i have seen and had the chance to massage have not fit into the body ideal.

i guess the point is once you see people naked all day, you stop caring about beauty standards and start caring about how their bodies fit together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While i was watching this ms. lauren walked into the room and asked me if i thought these photos were incredible.  umm, no.</p>
<p>and not because these women were naked and average.</p>
<p> simply because nude people are nude people.  i spent two years studying massage therapy and was around bodies all day every day.  the people that you see as stereotypically &#8220;beautiful&#8221;, the girls on the covers of magazines and the women you see in all forms of media are not good ideals for the human body, for me, it&#8217;s not about trying to attain some out there standard of beauty either.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s simply because the &#8220;ideal&#8221; body is a raging pain in the ass to massage, it&#8217;s no fun.  none.  there&#8217;s no muscle mass there, you&#8217;re constantly running into bones and feeling like you could break them.  some of the most beautiful people i have seen and had the chance to massage have not fit into the body ideal.</p>
<p>i guess the point is once you see people naked all day, you stop caring about beauty standards and start caring about how their bodies fit together.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Minified using disk: basic
Page Caching using disk: basic
Database Caching 16/21 queries in 0.036 seconds using disk: basic

Served from: www.feministe.us @ 2012-02-10 08:09:35 -->
