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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/hip-2-b-anti-choice/#comment-11018</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikini Kill don&#039;t exist either do they?  I thought Kathleen Hanna had moved onto Le Tigre, who of course are also in the list.  

As for pictures of fetuses - I guess if you look at medical textbooks you could find pictures of fetuses at various stages of development.  Also I think the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bodyworlds Exhibition&lt;/a&gt; actually included real fetuses, I think there was an exhibition where he had several fetuses of different sizes from extremely small right up to birth size. 

But I do struggle to understand why fetus pictures are particularly relevant to whether you support or oppose choice.  After all, most people know already what a fetus looks like, more or less, and that it looks more and more like a baby the closer you get to birth.  But I don&#039;t see that what it looks like is relevant to whether or not a woman should be forced by law to donate her body for its life support.   

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikini Kill don&#8217;t exist either do they?  I thought Kathleen Hanna had moved onto Le Tigre, who of course are also in the list.  </p>
<p>As for pictures of fetuses &#8211; I guess if you look at medical textbooks you could find pictures of fetuses at various stages of development.  Also I think the <a href="http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp" rel="nofollow">Bodyworlds Exhibition</a> actually included real fetuses, I think there was an exhibition where he had several fetuses of different sizes from extremely small right up to birth size. </p>
<p>But I do struggle to understand why fetus pictures are particularly relevant to whether you support or oppose choice.  After all, most people know already what a fetus looks like, more or less, and that it looks more and more like a baby the closer you get to birth.  But I don&#8217;t see that what it looks like is relevant to whether or not a woman should be forced by law to donate her body for its life support.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Terry's babysitter</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/hip-2-b-anti-choice/#comment-11002</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall Terry's babysitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;blockquote&gt;if you walked by the library&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;ll teach you for going to the library.   Nothing there but books, logic, learning and facts. 

 &lt;blockquote&gt;a repugnant poster of gore&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wouldn&#039;t this be true of any 4&#039; x 6&#039; of a surgical procedure? Watch Discovery-health channel for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>if you walked by the library</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;ll teach you for going to the library.   Nothing there but books, logic, learning and facts. </p>
<blockquote><p>a repugnant poster of gore</p></blockquote>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t this be true of any 4&#8242; x 6&#8242; of a surgical procedure? Watch Discovery-health channel for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/hip-2-b-anti-choice/#comment-10984</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of showing disgusting photos is to shock, horrify and anger people, NOT to get them thinking. It&#039;s a purely emotional tactic which seems to be thought up by people who obviously don&#039;t want a debate, they just want to stop all abortions now. The hell with nuance, shades of gray and compromise! Nope, certainly to much of the anti-choice, um, excuse me, pro-life leadership, it&#039;s good old black and white, Good and Evil, Us and Them. &quot;If you&#039;re not with us, you&#039;re against us.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of showing disgusting photos is to shock, horrify and anger people, NOT to get them thinking. It&#8217;s a purely emotional tactic which seems to be thought up by people who obviously don&#8217;t want a debate, they just want to stop all abortions now. The hell with nuance, shades of gray and compromise! Nope, certainly to much of the anti-choice, um, excuse me, pro-life leadership, it&#8217;s good old black and white, Good and Evil, Us and Them. &#8220;If you&#8217;re not with us, you&#8217;re against us.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Lion And The Donkey:Official Blog of the Columbia Democrats  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Rock For Life Wins Me Over</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/hip-2-b-anti-choice/#comment-10983</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lion And The Donkey:Official Blog of the Columbia Democrats  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Rock For Life Wins Me Over</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  A Year Makes 			 		 	 		 			Rock For Life Wins Me Over 	 			 					Well, if 2 Live Crew is anti-choice&#8230; 	(hat tip to the inimitable  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  A Year Makes 			 		 	 		 			Rock For Life Wins Me Over 	 			 					Well, if 2 Live Crew is anti-choice&#8230; 	(hat tip to the inimitable  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/hip-2-b-anti-choice/#comment-10982</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Joseph, what&#039;s the point of flashing nasty photos of surgical procedures?  Shock value?  Sick fetish?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.devbio.com/article.php?ch=21&amp;id=164&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is more of a public service than passing around misinformation to well-meaning folks, upon which they build their entire understanding of the abortion issue.  Read it and see why we think anti-abortion pictures are bullshit.  You might learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Joseph, what&#8217;s the point of flashing nasty photos of surgical procedures?  Shock value?  Sick fetish?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.devbio.com/article.php?ch=21&amp;id=164" rel="nofollow">This</a> is more of a public service than passing around misinformation to well-meaning folks, upon which they build their entire understanding of the abortion issue.  Read it and see why we think anti-abortion pictures are bullshit.  You might learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/hip-2-b-anti-choice/#comment-10981</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The most offensive thing about those posters is that they are god damned lies. If they showed a photo of of an average abortion (not a stillborn baby) you would still have a repugnant poster of gore, but it wouldn’t look anything like a person.&lt;/b&gt;

Oh my goodness!  I can&#039;t believe those dirty pro-lifers are trying to pass off what is CLEARLY a 12 week old aborted fetus for a 10 week old fetus!!!  Unfreakingbelievable.

Don&#039;t you know that makes all the difference in the world to whether or not it&#039;s &quot;genocide&quot; or just a simple choice???

And clearly if it doesn&#039;t LOOK like a person then it&#039;s NOT a person.  Because any idiot knows that personhood is determined by physical appearance alone.  That&#039;s SCIENCE. And if there&#039;s any doubt whether it&#039;s a person or not, that makes it A-okay to abort under any circumstances.

And don&#039;t those stupid pro-lifers know that those &quot;ugly&quot; late-term abortions where the fetus actually looks like a baby are very RARE?  And that if it&#039;s rare then there&#039;s really no problem so they should just shut up?  They lie when they say that it&#039;s happened hundreds of thousands of times since Roe v. Wade.  LIARS.  It&#039;s only happened &lt;i&gt;tens&lt;/i&gt; of thousands of times.  That&#039;s a whole ORDER OF MAGNITUDE difference.  LIARS.

I&#039;m so glad that there are people out there who care about choice enough to show what REAL aborted fetuses look like.  Because once people see what they &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; look like then nobody will have a problem with it anymore and then we can finally live in peace in a society that cares about women and cares about choice.

I tried to do a google for &quot;real abortion photos&quot; so I could post a few links here to set the record straight for some wandering pro-lifers who might be reading this blog, but I keep getting the same old anti-choice FAKES on every single page.  It looks like those fundagelicals have been pretty successful at spreading their lies and misinformation.  Argh! The vast right-wing conspiracy has complete control of the media, including the internet!  Double argh! I&#039;m sure Karl Rove is behind this hideous evil somehow.

Can anybody here do me a favor and post a few links to the vast catalogues of real abortion photos that pro-choicers have posted on the internet to counteract the falsehoods of the anti-choicers?  Lauren...Jill...other Ryan...anyone?  I know I can count on enlightened, honest indivuals like yourself (who are totally against genocide in all its forms) and others in the pro-choice movement to show me what an abortion &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; looks like (and not those photo-FAKES of the jeebus-lovers).

Thanks a bunch!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The most offensive thing about those posters is that they are god damned lies. If they showed a photo of of an average abortion (not a stillborn baby) you would still have a repugnant poster of gore, but it wouldn’t look anything like a person.</b></p>
<p>Oh my goodness!  I can&#8217;t believe those dirty pro-lifers are trying to pass off what is CLEARLY a 12 week old aborted fetus for a 10 week old fetus!!!  Unfreakingbelievable.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you know that makes all the difference in the world to whether or not it&#8217;s &#8220;genocide&#8221; or just a simple choice???</p>
<p>And clearly if it doesn&#8217;t LOOK like a person then it&#8217;s NOT a person.  Because any idiot knows that personhood is determined by physical appearance alone.  That&#8217;s SCIENCE. And if there&#8217;s any doubt whether it&#8217;s a person or not, that makes it A-okay to abort under any circumstances.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t those stupid pro-lifers know that those &#8220;ugly&#8221; late-term abortions where the fetus actually looks like a baby are very RARE?  And that if it&#8217;s rare then there&#8217;s really no problem so they should just shut up?  They lie when they say that it&#8217;s happened hundreds of thousands of times since Roe v. Wade.  LIARS.  It&#8217;s only happened <i>tens</i> of thousands of times.  That&#8217;s a whole ORDER OF MAGNITUDE difference.  LIARS.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad that there are people out there who care about choice enough to show what REAL aborted fetuses look like.  Because once people see what they <i>really</i> look like then nobody will have a problem with it anymore and then we can finally live in peace in a society that cares about women and cares about choice.</p>
<p>I tried to do a google for &#8220;real abortion photos&#8221; so I could post a few links here to set the record straight for some wandering pro-lifers who might be reading this blog, but I keep getting the same old anti-choice FAKES on every single page.  It looks like those fundagelicals have been pretty successful at spreading their lies and misinformation.  Argh! The vast right-wing conspiracy has complete control of the media, including the internet!  Double argh! I&#8217;m sure Karl Rove is behind this hideous evil somehow.</p>
<p>Can anybody here do me a favor and post a few links to the vast catalogues of real abortion photos that pro-choicers have posted on the internet to counteract the falsehoods of the anti-choicers?  Lauren&#8230;Jill&#8230;other Ryan&#8230;anyone?  I know I can count on enlightened, honest indivuals like yourself (who are totally against genocide in all its forms) and others in the pro-choice movement to show me what an abortion <i>really</i> looks like (and not those photo-FAKES of the jeebus-lovers).</p>
<p>Thanks a bunch!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the bands on there are no more.  But yeah, that made me laugh.  One band is dead so the other is risen but to puff up their enemies list, they have both. But they can rest assured that anyone who falls for this is not even remotely hip, so they&#039;ll never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the bands on there are no more.  But yeah, that made me laugh.  One band is dead so the other is risen but to puff up their enemies list, they have both. But they can rest assured that anyone who falls for this is not even remotely hip, so they&#8217;ll never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Demetri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demetri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ummm...interesting that they list bikini kill.  Perhaps they should ask Le Tigre about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ummm&#8230;interesting that they list bikini kill.  Perhaps they should ask Le Tigre about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lemieux</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/hip-2-b-anti-choice/#comment-10956</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that group or a similar one infected the University of Washington campus a couple of years ago.  Ugh.  (Asserting hipness is sort of like asserting that you&#039;re a &quot;nice guy,&quot; though--if you have to declare it, you&#039;re not.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that group or a similar one infected the University of Washington campus a couple of years ago.  Ugh.  (Asserting hipness is sort of like asserting that you&#8217;re a &#8220;nice guy,&#8221; though&#8211;if you have to declare it, you&#8217;re not.)</p>
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		<title>By: randomliberal/Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>randomliberal/Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leanne, yes, that&#039;s exactly what their goal is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leanne, yes, that&#8217;s exactly what their goal is.</p>
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