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	<title>Comments on: The Brutality of Beauty</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/the-brutality-of-beauty/#comment-11188</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this topic I feel a tension that I don&#039;t see expressed, so I thought I&#039;d add it.

Most people here seem to be saying some variation of &quot;I do what I feel like, and if people can&#039;t handle it, that&#039;s tough.&quot; Which I guess also translates to &quot;people should do what they feel like, and that&#039;s fine by me.&quot; The implicit statement seems to be that being antifeminist or trapped in femininity means doing what other people want you to do, not what you authentically want. Whether that is make-up or plastic surgery isn&#039;t really relevant.

Lots of critiques have been launched at the idea of &quot;authentic wanting,&quot; dating from old Sigmund, but what I experience is not doing what I want &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; people want me to do it. If we lived in the Feminist Utopia, I would probably dress/comport myself much more femininely than I usually do, but the fact is that I cannot &lt;em&gt;bear&lt;/em&gt; how it changes how people relate to me, and how those relations change the way I relate to myself. The cost is just too high. Much higher than any social sanction that being less feminine (but still legibly female and feminine) would mean.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this topic I feel a tension that I don&#8217;t see expressed, so I thought I&#8217;d add it.</p>
<p>Most people here seem to be saying some variation of &#8220;I do what I feel like, and if people can&#8217;t handle it, that&#8217;s tough.&#8221; Which I guess also translates to &#8220;people should do what they feel like, and that&#8217;s fine by me.&#8221; The implicit statement seems to be that being antifeminist or trapped in femininity means doing what other people want you to do, not what you authentically want. Whether that is make-up or plastic surgery isn&#8217;t really relevant.</p>
<p>Lots of critiques have been launched at the idea of &#8220;authentic wanting,&#8221; dating from old Sigmund, but what I experience is not doing what I want <em>because</em> people want me to do it. If we lived in the Feminist Utopia, I would probably dress/comport myself much more femininely than I usually do, but the fact is that I cannot <em>bear</em> how it changes how people relate to me, and how those relations change the way I relate to myself. The cost is just too high. Much higher than any social sanction that being less feminine (but still legibly female and feminine) would mean.</p>
<p>Am I the only one who feels this way?</p>
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		<title>By: blog alice</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/the-brutality-of-beauty/#comment-11170</link>
		<dc:creator>blog alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;some wednesday afternoon lucille clifton&lt;/strong&gt;

i remember (or at least i think i do) awhile back when lauren posted some lucille clifton poems (but i could have been hallucinating. anyway, i thought these somehow apropos to all of the nominat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>some wednesday afternoon lucille clifton</strong></p>
<p>i remember (or at least i think i do) awhile back when lauren posted some lucille clifton poems (but i could have been hallucinating. anyway, i thought these somehow apropos to all of the nominat</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Hathaway</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/the-brutality-of-beauty/#comment-11039</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl Hathaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Pepper:
I absolutely hate it when I see women on plastic-surgery shows saying that they are “doing it for themselves” or ” doing it because it makes ME happy.” Then, three scenes and a commercial break later, they are swollen and bruised on a hospital bed, crying in pain from an elective surgery. I wonder if any of them regret it, but they don’t think they can say it on camera.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just because it (temporarily) hurts doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;ve changed their minds.  I both lift weights, bike, and do krav maga; just because at at fourtyfour minutes and fiftynine seconds on the bike I&#039;m ready to say the whole thing sucks and I&#039;m never going to do it again doesn&#039;t mean that I&#039;m not overall happy with exercise; I just happen to temporarily feel like shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pepper:<br />
I absolutely hate it when I see women on plastic-surgery shows saying that they are “doing it for themselves” or ” doing it because it makes ME happy.” Then, three scenes and a commercial break later, they are swollen and bruised on a hospital bed, crying in pain from an elective surgery. I wonder if any of them regret it, but they don’t think they can say it on camera.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just because it (temporarily) hurts doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;ve changed their minds.  I both lift weights, bike, and do krav maga; just because at at fourtyfour minutes and fiftynine seconds on the bike I&#8217;m ready to say the whole thing sucks and I&#8217;m never going to do it again doesn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;m not overall happy with exercise; I just happen to temporarily feel like shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/the-brutality-of-beauty/#comment-11016</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry Jill,  so I take my comment and change it to being Jill that is more feminist than I am and end it with the same lack of lipstick alone does not a feminist make.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry Jill,  so I take my comment and change it to being Jill that is more feminist than I am and end it with the same lack of lipstick alone does not a feminist make.</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/the-brutality-of-beauty/#comment-11011</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If a man doesn’t shave, he’s assumed to be lazy; if a women doesn’t shave, she’s assumed to be a radical feminist, or a lesbian.&lt;/em&gt;

Actually, if a man doesn&#039;t shave, sometimes people assume he&#039;s a writer, an environmentalist, a communist, or a UNIX geek.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If a man doesn’t shave, he’s assumed to be lazy; if a women doesn’t shave, she’s assumed to be a radical feminist, or a lesbian.</em></p>
<p>Actually, if a man doesn&#8217;t shave, sometimes people assume he&#8217;s a writer, an environmentalist, a communist, or a UNIX geek.</p>
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		<title>By: Pepper</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/the-brutality-of-beauty/#comment-11009</link>
		<dc:creator>Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alley rat, quite right! with all the whiz-bang editing that goes on, of course they would take that out. it&#039;s all surgical cheerleading, anyhoo. rah, rah rhinoplasty!

i can&#039;t make any kind of statement with leg shaving. my leg hair is too pale. if i decide that i want to let it grow, no one even notices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alley rat, quite right! with all the whiz-bang editing that goes on, of course they would take that out. it&#8217;s all surgical cheerleading, anyhoo. rah, rah rhinoplasty!</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t make any kind of statement with leg shaving. my leg hair is too pale. if i decide that i want to let it grow, no one even notices.</p>
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		<title>By: Alley Rat</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/15/the-brutality-of-beauty/#comment-11008</link>
		<dc:creator>Alley Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh wait. i also wanted to add that when i don&#039;t shave, i don&#039;t want people to assume i&#039;m just lazy. i don&#039;t want them to assume anything at all,but the reasons i haven&#039;t shaved have ranged from just not giving a shit to actively protesting/rebelling against what seemed to me to be a beauty mandate. i went two years without shaving until i got to the point where i could feel like doing it is a choice i&#039;m making. so now, sometimes i do,sometimes i don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wait. i also wanted to add that when i don&#8217;t shave, i don&#8217;t want people to assume i&#8217;m just lazy. i don&#8217;t want them to assume anything at all,but the reasons i haven&#8217;t shaved have ranged from just not giving a shit to actively protesting/rebelling against what seemed to me to be a beauty mandate. i went two years without shaving until i got to the point where i could feel like doing it is a choice i&#8217;m making. so now, sometimes i do,sometimes i don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Alley Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alley Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey pepper

i bet when/if they do say they regret it, it get edited out. since those shows are just big ads for plastic surgery, anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey pepper</p>
<p>i bet when/if they do say they regret it, it get edited out. since those shows are just big ads for plastic surgery, anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to group-blogging fun, Lauren.  If a week goes by without some commenter mixing me and Jesse up,  I feel cheated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to group-blogging fun, Lauren.  If a week goes by without some commenter mixing me and Jesse up,  I feel cheated.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, this post has been attributed to me several times, but Jill wrote it.  Let&#039;s give her credit.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, this post has been attributed to me several times, but Jill wrote it.  Let&#8217;s give her credit.  :)</p>
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