<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Israel Will Outlaw Anorexic Models</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/</link>
	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:26:51 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11505</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11505</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The logic is that consumers will buy an outfit from the gap because they aspire to look like the artificial images of models the gap uses in its ads. They sell to the aspiration - however unrealistic and unconscious - to look like the model.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s it, actually.  It&#039;s not so much an aspirational image as a punishing image.  I think the idea is to make women so miserable with how we look we overspend on clothes and make-up to compensate.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The logic is that consumers will buy an outfit from the gap because they aspire to look like the artificial images of models the gap uses in its ads. They sell to the aspiration &#8211; however unrealistic and unconscious &#8211; to look like the model.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s it, actually.  It&#8217;s not so much an aspirational image as a punishing image.  I think the idea is to make women so miserable with how we look we overspend on clothes and make-up to compensate.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: holojojo</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11502</link>
		<dc:creator>holojojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11502</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m a woman with one breast - next month a prophylactic mastectomy will leave me with none. I&#039;ve always had a &quot;model&quot; figure, but when it came to the crunch, staying alive was and is more important.  I like myself a whole lot better now, when I&#039;ve finally come to terms with being &quot;flawed but living&quot;, than when I calculated the calories in every mouthful I ate. I&#039;m still a beautiful woman, but now I have confidence that the beauty is within me, my strength and my hope and my pride.
I worry about my daughter. She&#039;s growing up in a world where &quot;famine chic&quot; is desirable; on the one hand the TV news is full of images of starving children, which are designed to fill us with pity, and of starving women, which are supposed to fill us with envy.  I feel we didn&#039;t have this kind of pressure when I was a child, which is perhaps one reason I&#039;ve been able to come to terms with the mutilation of cancer so relatively easily. When I hear my 4-year-old talking about people being &quot;fat and ugly&quot;, I wonder what we as a society are doing to our daughters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a woman with one breast &#8211; next month a prophylactic mastectomy will leave me with none. I&#8217;ve always had a &#8220;model&#8221; figure, but when it came to the crunch, staying alive was and is more important.  I like myself a whole lot better now, when I&#8217;ve finally come to terms with being &#8220;flawed but living&#8221;, than when I calculated the calories in every mouthful I ate. I&#8217;m still a beautiful woman, but now I have confidence that the beauty is within me, my strength and my hope and my pride.<br />
I worry about my daughter. She&#8217;s growing up in a world where &#8220;famine chic&#8221; is desirable; on the one hand the TV news is full of images of starving children, which are designed to fill us with pity, and of starving women, which are supposed to fill us with envy.  I feel we didn&#8217;t have this kind of pressure when I was a child, which is perhaps one reason I&#8217;ve been able to come to terms with the mutilation of cancer so relatively easily. When I hear my 4-year-old talking about people being &#8220;fat and ugly&#8221;, I wonder what we as a society are doing to our daughters.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kathryn Cramer</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11442</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Cramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11442</guid>
		<description>Even the CDC classified 18.5 and up as &quot;normal&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the CDC classified 18.5 and up as &#8220;normal&#8221;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11437</link>
		<dc:creator>David Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11437</guid>
		<description>&quot;Models would have to undergo regular medical tests to ensure their body mass index (BMI) is 19 or above.&quot;

Why 19?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Models would have to undergo regular medical tests to ensure their body mass index (BMI) is 19 or above.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why 19?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11435</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11435</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The question that comes from THIS, though, is which came first? The chicken or the egg?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s also the question of whether it&#039;s an allowable practice even if there is some inherent sales-damaging property of fat (or average) bodies.  IIRC, the airline companies made related arguments against hiring nonwhite flight attendants: &lt;em&gt;we&lt;/em&gt; aren&#039;t racist, heavens no, but our customers don&#039;t want them in the cabins; they won&#039;t be as happy with their service.  We&#039;re just giving them what they demand.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The question that comes from THIS, though, is which came first? The chicken or the egg?</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s also the question of whether it&#8217;s an allowable practice even if there is some inherent sales-damaging property of fat (or average) bodies.  IIRC, the airline companies made related arguments against hiring nonwhite flight attendants: <em>we</em> aren&#8217;t racist, heavens no, but our customers don&#8217;t want them in the cabins; they won&#8217;t be as happy with their service.  We&#8217;re just giving them what they demand.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pandagon</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11434</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11434</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Israel threatens Richard Roper&#039;s ability to get hard&lt;/strong&gt;

This I suppose is what happens when you start not only enlisting women in the military, but drafting them and teaching them to use Uzis. Israel is looking to ban the use of anorexic fashion models. No wonder there are...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Israel threatens Richard Roper&#8217;s ability to get hard</strong></p>
<p>This I suppose is what happens when you start not only enlisting women in the military, but drafting them and teaching them to use Uzis. Israel is looking to ban the use of anorexic fashion models. No wonder there are&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jacqui</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11433</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11433</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s true about high-fashion, but clothes are a product, and marketers do intentionally use too-thin models to sell mass-marketed clothes. The logic is that consumers will buy an outfit from the gap because they aspire to look like the artificial images of models the gap uses in its ads. They sell to the aspiration - however unrealistic and unconscious - to look like the model.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Again, this is true, but not of the &lt;em&gt;fashion&lt;/em&gt; side of the modeling industry. The side that market that caters to actually selling clothes to the masses is the commercial industry, which works in a slightly different fashion but is still commerce-driven. Marketing studies continually show that people don&#039;t like to buy from stores that use less-than-ideal models (for example, using a plus-sized model in a store that sells a whole range of clothing, from petites to plus yields lower sales than using a petite or an average model for the same store). The question that comes from THIS, though, is which came first? The chicken or the egg?

Are people finicky about buying from a store that uses a model who is, say, larger than usual because they don&#039;t want to be associated with that, or are they that way to begin with because the stores have done that to us for so long?

Commercial modeling has its own set of demons, although they already use a much wider range of models than fashion modeling. It&#039;s driven entirely by the stores and what the stores are requesting for their ad campaigns, and the ad campaigns are driven by what marketing data is telling them will be the best ROI. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That’s true about high-fashion, but clothes are a product, and marketers do intentionally use too-thin models to sell mass-marketed clothes. The logic is that consumers will buy an outfit from the gap because they aspire to look like the artificial images of models the gap uses in its ads. They sell to the aspiration &#8211; however unrealistic and unconscious &#8211; to look like the model.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, this is true, but not of the <em>fashion</em> side of the modeling industry. The side that market that caters to actually selling clothes to the masses is the commercial industry, which works in a slightly different fashion but is still commerce-driven. Marketing studies continually show that people don&#8217;t like to buy from stores that use less-than-ideal models (for example, using a plus-sized model in a store that sells a whole range of clothing, from petites to plus yields lower sales than using a petite or an average model for the same store). The question that comes from THIS, though, is which came first? The chicken or the egg?</p>
<p>Are people finicky about buying from a store that uses a model who is, say, larger than usual because they don&#8217;t want to be associated with that, or are they that way to begin with because the stores have done that to us for so long?</p>
<p>Commercial modeling has its own set of demons, although they already use a much wider range of models than fashion modeling. It&#8217;s driven entirely by the stores and what the stores are requesting for their ad campaigns, and the ad campaigns are driven by what marketing data is telling them will be the best ROI.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jpjeffrey</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11430</link>
		<dc:creator>jpjeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11430</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m with Tekanji on this one.  

From the article quoted:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“”I think 50% of the problem can be dealt with by us. If the fashion stores, food companies and other consumers of model services refuse to employ unhealthy women, that will remove one part of the motivation to reduce weight.”--Barkan, Israeli photographer&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fine. Good. Why does Barkan need a law to help this problem?  If he thinks it&#039;s so important, why doesn&#039;t he refuse to photograph models that are unhealthy (without getting into the very important problems of defining &#039;unhealthy&#039;, for Barkan or for the Israeli government)?  

I know this sounds naive, but really, I think it points to tekanji&#039;s point--this is passing the buck, and passing it to people who are less to blame for the problem than most others (i.e. I would blame modeling agencies and photographers long before I&#039;d blame the models themselves, although everybody has some responsibility for the problem, including consumers of the advertising and clothes).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Tekanji on this one.  </p>
<p>From the article quoted:</p>
<blockquote><p>“”I think 50% of the problem can be dealt with by us. If the fashion stores, food companies and other consumers of model services refuse to employ unhealthy women, that will remove one part of the motivation to reduce weight.”&#8211;Barkan, Israeli photographer</p></blockquote>
<p>Fine. Good. Why does Barkan need a law to help this problem?  If he thinks it&#8217;s so important, why doesn&#8217;t he refuse to photograph models that are unhealthy (without getting into the very important problems of defining &#8216;unhealthy&#8217;, for Barkan or for the Israeli government)?  </p>
<p>I know this sounds naive, but really, I think it points to tekanji&#8217;s point&#8211;this is passing the buck, and passing it to people who are less to blame for the problem than most others (i.e. I would blame modeling agencies and photographers long before I&#8217;d blame the models themselves, although everybody has some responsibility for the problem, including consumers of the advertising and clothes).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Leila Khaled</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11429</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila Khaled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11429</guid>
		<description>So, Israel manages to eliminate anorexia from modeling before it manages to eliminate the settlers from the occupied territories. Excuse me while I say &quot;feh.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Israel manages to eliminate anorexia from modeling before it manages to eliminate the settlers from the occupied territories. Excuse me while I say &#8220;feh.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: other Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11427</link>
		<dc:creator>other Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/07/25/israel-will-outlaw-anorexic-models/#comment-11427</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the fashion industry in general... have basically no interest whatsoever in improving anyone’s body image. It’s not about people. It’s about the clothes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s true about high-fashion, but clothes are a product, and marketers do intentionally use too-thin models to sell mass-marketed clothes.  The logic is that consumers will buy an outfit from the gap because they aspire to look like the artificial images of models the gap uses in its ads.  They sell to the aspiration - however unrealistic and unconscious - to look like the model.

It seems strange to me that this law would be crafted with the model&#039;s well being in mind, but I think it could have an impact on the collect psyche of advertising viewers by removing at least the most extreme anorexic images, though twisty&#039;s totally correct that the photos can (and are) retouched to appear skinnier than the already skinny models...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the fashion industry in general&#8230; have basically no interest whatsoever in improving anyone’s body image. It’s not about people. It’s about the clothes.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s true about high-fashion, but clothes are a product, and marketers do intentionally use too-thin models to sell mass-marketed clothes.  The logic is that consumers will buy an outfit from the gap because they aspire to look like the artificial images of models the gap uses in its ads.  They sell to the aspiration &#8211; however unrealistic and unconscious &#8211; to look like the model.</p>
<p>It seems strange to me that this law would be crafted with the model&#8217;s well being in mind, but I think it could have an impact on the collect psyche of advertising viewers by removing at least the most extreme anorexic images, though twisty&#8217;s totally correct that the photos can (and are) retouched to appear skinnier than the already skinny models&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
