Pot, meet kettle.

Le sigh…

Politics is just a continuation of war by another means.

There is no middle ground between the left and right in America. Anything, no matter how gory or salacious, is fair game if it furthers your agenda and/or makes the other side look bad. That’s why one side is counting dead bodies in NOLA and the other is counting busses parked in bus stations.

Until the pot and kettle agree that they have the same goals, the fight will continue. Unfortunately it will continue to be ugly and the left will do whatever it can to bring down Bush. Just like the right did with Clinton.

DC

Christ on a cracker, but BITE ME about the NYC families. The whole frickin’ process and the normalization of acres and acres of downtown is held hostage to the families (and not all of them, since a good percentage is a-ok with the memorial and Freedom Center as is).

You’re kidding – right? The intent of the memorial is being marginalized by those who would use the “International Freedom Center” as our opportunity to roll over on our backs and apologize to the rest of the world for the US’ “historical sins”.

Last I recall, two large airplanes were driven into very large buildings in New York City and a lot of people died. There were victims and heroes that day and this monument exists to memorialize what happened to THEM, not to editorialize or rationalize about WHY it happened or to explain away how the misguided activists who were NOT part of a war against the US were trying to make a political point and, well,

…cue hysterical rant…

we somehow DESERVED it because we’re just bad people, it’s not fair that we have so much money and such a strong military, get Israel out of Palestine, George Bush doesn’t care about black people OR New Orleans, and you know he lied and you know he lied he lied he lied…and people died. Dick Cheney is Satan. (sniff) Cindy Sheehan is Rosa Parks speaking truth to POWER!

Gasp, gasp, gasp…

…hysterical rant ends…

Yes, Zuzu – a lot of people did die in NYC – because Islamic terrorists killed them. That’s what the memorial is meant to honor – the victims that died, those that survived, and the heroes that tried to rescue them. The rest of the political agenda can just get stuffed. You want an apology memorial – go build it in France – they’re very good at surrendering.

Jeebus – and go bite yourself for gosh sakes. I have to go brush my teeth after biting you.

Cheers – DC

I’m too bored with arguing with you to keep making points that you fail to address. I’m comfortable that any reasonable person who reads back over what I posted will at least acknowledge I have a thought out criticsim. I’m further comfortable that any reasonable person will acknowledge that I have a right to have an opinion on the matter. It is a public memorial, I am a member of the public.

So respond if you want with your snippy little ad hominems and your field of strawmen, I could really care less since you won’t directly address any of my criticisms.

Chris Clarke, you are truly the Angel of Ennui.

Chris – regardless of the hubub, it’s appropriate that victims from Flight 93 were involved in the memorial design. It’s a shame that isn’t being done in New York City.

Christ on a cracker, but BITE ME about the NYC families. The whole frickin’ process and the normalization of acres and acres of downtown is held hostage to the families (and not all of them, since a good percentage is a-ok with the memorial and Freedom Center as is).

Flight 93 crashed in a field, with nothing around, so it’s appropriate that the families of the dead have the final say. The WTC affected more than just the families of the dead, what with being in a rather densely populated area and being the workplace of some 50,000 people, not to mention those in the frozen zone who were displaced afterwards. While the families of the fallen should have a say, there is a larger community that also needs to have a say.

I don’t spend a whole lot of time “addressing the points” of people who claim aliens monitor our brain waves through our mercury amalgam fillings, either.

ultimately this is a public memorial built at least partly with public funds. Sadly for you, that does give us “wingnuts” a say in the matter.

You’re posting on the Internet in part as a result of spending public funds. Can we vote whether you should be allowed to say anything you want?

More seriously, you seem to have shifted your argument seamlessly from “it’s an insult to the victims’ families” to “I don’t care what the victims’ families think! It’s my money!”

Class act.

What I can say is that, regardless of who was involved with the design (were all the families involved? did all the families approve?), ultimately this is a public memorial built at least partly with public funds. Sadly for you, that does give us “wingnuts” a say in the matter. That inconvenient democracy thing and all that.

But go ahead Chris, avoid all the criticisms I’ve laid out and focus on emotionalism. Because hey, it’s not about reason but feeling, right?

I agree: compassion for the human condition is what is called for here. An invocation to the reality that we are all fragile, all vulnerable.

DC

Last thing I am is a troll – if I’ve got something substantive to say I’ll say it. Otherwise, I’m happy to read and move on.

You’re offended by what you perceive as “condescension” on my part. I apologize for upsetting you. Try not to carry a chip on your shoulder for being a “young woman” with an opinion – my daughter has lots and lots of opinions but I try to work with her to make sure they are based on facts, not wishful thinking or spurious logic.

What I am challenging is the your assertion that we are not, in fact, at war with an adversary with a long history of attacking the US both at home and abroad. This has nothing to do with white Canadians – although we can “blame Canada” for a host of other things.

Cheers – DC