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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-22347</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, ginmar.  I was just trying to point out that moving might solve HER problem, but won&#039;t solve THE problem.  Especially since Pru didn&#039;t seem to address that fact that this kid is a really dangerous situation just waiting to explode.  But really, a very good, thought provoking point.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, ginmar.  I was just trying to point out that moving might solve HER problem, but won&#8217;t solve THE problem.  Especially since Pru didn&#8217;t seem to address that fact that this kid is a really dangerous situation just waiting to explode.  But really, a very good, thought provoking point.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: ginmar</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-22072</link>
		<dc:creator>ginmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, I bet they&#039;ll do what they don&#039;t do with male sex buying:they&#039;ll criminalize it.  It&#039;ll be bad for women to purchase sex because what&#039;s a matter, honey,all a woman has to do is have a pulse?  Men have these uncontrollable sex drives,  whereas we all know women don&#039;t,  so any woman that buys sex must be really ugly or awful-looking or something.  

 That advice to the girl with the stalker migth as well have been, &quot;Just keep running, little girl, because there&#039;s nothing you can do.&quot;  Soneone brought up above the idea that he might be a danger to other people in the neighborhood?  How come it&#039;s not enough that he&#039;s a danger to her?  How come it&#039;s not enough that he might inconveniance a woman?  It&#039;s not that it doesn&#039;t matter, it&#039;s that it&#039;s almost like that&#039;s what&#039;s supposed to happen. What, are women supposed to deflect male violence off of other people? Ordo we just not count as people? *stupid question, I know.  And no, I&#039;m not saying that that poster said that, it&#039;s just this attitude that it&#039;s not important unless it happens to a man, a dog, a virgin, or maybe a woman, if the wind is blowing right and it&#039;s a slow news day.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, I bet they&#8217;ll do what they don&#8217;t do with male sex buying:they&#8217;ll criminalize it.  It&#8217;ll be bad for women to purchase sex because what&#8217;s a matter, honey,all a woman has to do is have a pulse?  Men have these uncontrollable sex drives,  whereas we all know women don&#8217;t,  so any woman that buys sex must be really ugly or awful-looking or something.  </p>
<p> That advice to the girl with the stalker migth as well have been, &#8220;Just keep running, little girl, because there&#8217;s nothing you can do.&#8221;  Soneone brought up above the idea that he might be a danger to other people in the neighborhood?  How come it&#8217;s not enough that he&#8217;s a danger to her?  How come it&#8217;s not enough that he might inconveniance a woman?  It&#8217;s not that it doesn&#8217;t matter, it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s almost like that&#8217;s what&#8217;s supposed to happen. What, are women supposed to deflect male violence off of other people? Ordo we just not count as people? *stupid question, I know.  And no, I&#8217;m not saying that that poster said that, it&#8217;s just this attitude that it&#8217;s not important unless it happens to a man, a dog, a virgin, or maybe a woman, if the wind is blowing right and it&#8217;s a slow news day.</p>
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		<title>By: B Moe</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-21985</link>
		<dc:creator>B Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I wonder if anybody is really paying attention to the sex lives of women in their 40s and 50s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Men in their 40s and 50s tend to pay very close attention to the sex lives of women in  their 40s and 50s.  Nobody probably studies it  because at this point we pretty much have it figured out.^^</description>
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I wonder if anybody is really paying attention to the sex lives of women in their 40s and 50s.</p></blockquote>
<p>Men in their 40s and 50s tend to pay very close attention to the sex lives of women in  their 40s and 50s.  Nobody probably studies it  because at this point we pretty much have it figured out.^^</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-21952</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: advice from Prudence

It would seem to me that this young man is obviously unbalanced, and needs to be reported to the appropriate authorities.  He sounds delusional and one step away from being truly, truly dangerous.  And if he is a danger to this young woman, he is a danger to the rest of the frickin&#039; NEIGHBORHOOD!

First, his mother needs to be made aware of this.  Note the well socialized girl/woman&#039;s need not to &quot;make trouble&quot;?  This young woman doesn&#039;t even want to bring this abberant behaviour to his mother&#039;s attention because it might cause tension.  His mother may very well be *relieved* if someone else makes the move and confirms her feeling that there&#039;s just something not right with her eldest boy.  If that doesn&#039;t help, or if the mother gets belligerent, she needs to log the incidents and then complaints need to be lodged with the appropriate authorities.

This girl moved back to her *parent&#039;s house*, fer gods&#039; sake!  Where she (apparently) grew up.  A place that SHOULD, for most normal families, be a refuge from the craziness that the world can dish out.  SHE shouldn&#039;t be compelled to move because the looney next door has a fixation on her!  Think about it:  even if she moves out and has no contact with *him* on a regular basis, what happens if she visits her parents?  What happens to their dogs if this kid ever gets his hands on a real gun and wants to extract revenge for her &quot;leaving&quot; him?  What about any other young woman in the area?  There is no guarantee that he isn&#039;t doing this same thing to half a dozen other young women, as he obviously has some transportation.

No, I think Pru really fucked up on this one.  There is a difference between &quot;harmless wierdo&quot; and &quot;disaster waiting to happen&quot;, and my guts say it&#039;s the latter in this case.  And doesn&#039;t the advice go &quot;trust your guts&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: advice from Prudence</p>
<p>It would seem to me that this young man is obviously unbalanced, and needs to be reported to the appropriate authorities.  He sounds delusional and one step away from being truly, truly dangerous.  And if he is a danger to this young woman, he is a danger to the rest of the frickin&#8217; NEIGHBORHOOD!</p>
<p>First, his mother needs to be made aware of this.  Note the well socialized girl/woman&#8217;s need not to &#8220;make trouble&#8221;?  This young woman doesn&#8217;t even want to bring this abberant behaviour to his mother&#8217;s attention because it might cause tension.  His mother may very well be *relieved* if someone else makes the move and confirms her feeling that there&#8217;s just something not right with her eldest boy.  If that doesn&#8217;t help, or if the mother gets belligerent, she needs to log the incidents and then complaints need to be lodged with the appropriate authorities.</p>
<p>This girl moved back to her *parent&#8217;s house*, fer gods&#8217; sake!  Where she (apparently) grew up.  A place that SHOULD, for most normal families, be a refuge from the craziness that the world can dish out.  SHE shouldn&#8217;t be compelled to move because the looney next door has a fixation on her!  Think about it:  even if she moves out and has no contact with *him* on a regular basis, what happens if she visits her parents?  What happens to their dogs if this kid ever gets his hands on a real gun and wants to extract revenge for her &#8220;leaving&#8221; him?  What about any other young woman in the area?  There is no guarantee that he isn&#8217;t doing this same thing to half a dozen other young women, as he obviously has some transportation.</p>
<p>No, I think Pru really fucked up on this one.  There is a difference between &#8220;harmless wierdo&#8221; and &#8220;disaster waiting to happen&#8221;, and my guts say it&#8217;s the latter in this case.  And doesn&#8217;t the advice go &#8220;trust your guts&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-21904</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sadly, I have to agree with Prudence on the advice she gave to the woman being stalked. It’s fucked up, yes. I think it’s awful.

But getting a restraining order will not protect you from stalkers. It just won’t. It creates a paper trail, but it will not put guards at your door. The truly deranged stalker is likely to be enraged by the restraining order and it may be just the thing to kick him over the line into violence. And then what? The guy lives next door, and appears to be mentally disturbed - not to mention he thinks he’s in training as a sniper for the army, and probably figures he’s above the law. He’s going to see this girl every day. He’s not going to just forget about her. He’s not going to get over it.

This girl needs to get away fast. And we need to create a system that can actually restrain these motherfuckers. But by all means encourage this girl to think of her safety first. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I do agree with you, but the problem is that Prudence assumes that moving is an option, and she doesn&#039;t give this young woman any other tools with which to deal with this man. If she simply can&#039;t move, then she&#039;s in a total bind, and Prudie didn&#039;t give her anything else to work with. Many people -- myself included -- would not be able to just pick up and walk away if someone was stalking or harassing us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sadly, I have to agree with Prudence on the advice she gave to the woman being stalked. It’s fucked up, yes. I think it’s awful.</p>
<p>But getting a restraining order will not protect you from stalkers. It just won’t. It creates a paper trail, but it will not put guards at your door. The truly deranged stalker is likely to be enraged by the restraining order and it may be just the thing to kick him over the line into violence. And then what? The guy lives next door, and appears to be mentally disturbed &#8211; not to mention he thinks he’s in training as a sniper for the army, and probably figures he’s above the law. He’s going to see this girl every day. He’s not going to just forget about her. He’s not going to get over it.</p>
<p>This girl needs to get away fast. And we need to create a system that can actually restrain these motherfuckers. But by all means encourage this girl to think of her safety first. </p></blockquote>
<p>I do agree with you, but the problem is that Prudence assumes that moving is an option, and she doesn&#8217;t give this young woman any other tools with which to deal with this man. If she simply can&#8217;t move, then she&#8217;s in a total bind, and Prudie didn&#8217;t give her anything else to work with. Many people &#8212; myself included &#8212; would not be able to just pick up and walk away if someone was stalking or harassing us.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-21891</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginmar, I agree that we&#039;ll certainly hear all sorts of new opposition if the public is forced to acknowledge that male sexual services are available for purchase by women.  Surely, some commentators will acknowledge that some of these men really need the money and would not do it otherwise.  Surely some of these folks will point out that sex workers, even those with other options that start out liking it, burn out fast and leave if they can.  Surely the same commentators will say that&#039;s true of women as well -- but who among them will be willing to do anything about it other than criminalize the women&#039;s conduct?  Who is going to propose a solution other than marginalization for sex workers and head-in-the-sand willful blindness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginmar, I agree that we&#8217;ll certainly hear all sorts of new opposition if the public is forced to acknowledge that male sexual services are available for purchase by women.  Surely, some commentators will acknowledge that some of these men really need the money and would not do it otherwise.  Surely some of these folks will point out that sex workers, even those with other options that start out liking it, burn out fast and leave if they can.  Surely the same commentators will say that&#8217;s true of women as well &#8212; but who among them will be willing to do anything about it other than criminalize the women&#8217;s conduct?  Who is going to propose a solution other than marginalization for sex workers and head-in-the-sand willful blindness?</p>
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		<title>By: ginmar</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-21889</link>
		<dc:creator>ginmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>  I bet if the idea did take off people would finda way to disapprove of it.  They find a way to blame women for rape,  why wouldn&#039;t they find a way to suddenly rediscover their objections to paid sex---but only of the female-purchased variety?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet if the idea did take off people would finda way to disapprove of it.  They find a way to blame women for rape,  why wouldn&#8217;t they find a way to suddenly rediscover their objections to paid sex&#8212;but only of the female-purchased variety?</p>
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		<title>By: lizzybeth</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-21876</link>
		<dc:creator>lizzybeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I have to agree with Prudence on the advice she gave to the woman being stalked. It&#039;s fucked up, yes. I think it&#039;s awful.

But getting a restraining order will not protect you from stalkers. It just won&#039;t. It creates a paper trail, but it will not put guards at your door. The truly deranged stalker is likely to be enraged by the restraining order and it may be just the thing to kick him over the line into violence. And then what? The guy lives next door, and appears to be mentally disturbed - not to mention he thinks he&#039;s in training as a sniper for the army, and probably figures he&#039;s above the law. He&#039;s going to see this girl every day. He&#039;s not going to just forget about her. He&#039;s not going to get over it. 

This girl needs to get away fast. And we need to create a system that can actually restrain these motherfuckers. But by all means encourage this girl to think of her safety first. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I have to agree with Prudence on the advice she gave to the woman being stalked. It&#8217;s fucked up, yes. I think it&#8217;s awful.</p>
<p>But getting a restraining order will not protect you from stalkers. It just won&#8217;t. It creates a paper trail, but it will not put guards at your door. The truly deranged stalker is likely to be enraged by the restraining order and it may be just the thing to kick him over the line into violence. And then what? The guy lives next door, and appears to be mentally disturbed &#8211; not to mention he thinks he&#8217;s in training as a sniper for the army, and probably figures he&#8217;s above the law. He&#8217;s going to see this girl every day. He&#8217;s not going to just forget about her. He&#8217;s not going to get over it. </p>
<p>This girl needs to get away fast. And we need to create a system that can actually restrain these motherfuckers. But by all means encourage this girl to think of her safety first.</p>
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		<title>By: KnifeGhost</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-21775</link>
		<dc:creator>KnifeGhost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t often make market-based arguments, but I tink speculating on whether or not it&#039;ll fly is, well, just speculation.  I think Linnaeus&#039;s comment rings true, but ultimately it&#039;ll come down to good old supply and demand.  If the demand is there, or if she can create it, it might be a license to print money.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t often make market-based arguments, but I tink speculating on whether or not it&#8217;ll fly is, well, just speculation.  I think Linnaeus&#8217;s comment rings true, but ultimately it&#8217;ll come down to good old supply and demand.  If the demand is there, or if she can create it, it might be a license to print money&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: AndiF</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/11/17/sex-etc/#comment-21750</link>
		<dc:creator>AndiF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Does this mean that older women don’t get laid? I don’t buy it.&lt;/em&gt;

Good plan. Save your money for other things. The word on post-menopausal women is use it or lose it and based on my non-random sample, most of us aren&#039;t planning on losing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Does this mean that older women don’t get laid? I don’t buy it.</em></p>
<p>Good plan. Save your money for other things. The word on post-menopausal women is use it or lose it and based on my non-random sample, most of us aren&#8217;t planning on losing it.</p>
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