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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27702</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;bear in mind that your “anonymous” status is secure only until a judge says otherwise. In fact, perceived attempts to harrass, while attempting to remain anonymous gets real dicy — it is seen as contributing to the crime.&quot;

Not really.  With a wireless enabled laptop, you can pull into the parking lot of a Starbuck&#039;s, Panera, most hotels etc., and connect anonymously to their unsecured wireless network 24/7, and post anonymously to your heart&#039;s content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;bear in mind that your “anonymous” status is secure only until a judge says otherwise. In fact, perceived attempts to harrass, while attempting to remain anonymous gets real dicy — it is seen as contributing to the crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really.  With a wireless enabled laptop, you can pull into the parking lot of a Starbuck&#8217;s, Panera, most hotels etc., and connect anonymously to their unsecured wireless network 24/7, and post anonymously to your heart&#8217;s content.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27587</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s appropriate for a black boy to be killed because he &quot;sexually harassed&quot; a white woman by whistling at her, but when white guys threaten rape, it&#039;s all in the woman&#039;s head?

Precious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s appropriate for a black boy to be killed because he &#8220;sexually harassed&#8221; a white woman by whistling at her, but when white guys threaten rape, it&#8217;s all in the woman&#8217;s head?</p>
<p>Precious.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27557</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...

He was a fourteen-year-old boy!  Who was tortured to death!  Over a period of several hours!  

That evil motherfucker.  I hope he never finds out what it&#039;s like to have to come identify your son&#039;s body after his face has been blown off.  </description>
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<p>He was a fourteen-year-old boy!  Who was tortured to death!  Over a period of several hours!  </p>
<p>That evil motherfucker.  I hope he never finds out what it&#8217;s like to have to come identify your son&#8217;s body after his face has been blown off.</p>
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		<title>By: Auguste</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27555</link>
		<dc:creator>Auguste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, in case it wasn&#039;t clear, Brimelow was referring to Emmitt Till.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, in case it wasn&#8217;t clear, Brimelow was referring to Emmitt Till.</p>
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		<title>By: Auguste</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27554</link>
		<dc:creator>Auguste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Brimelow, editor of Vdare.com, ladies and gentlemen:&lt;blockquote&gt;
I know I’m supposed to feel guilty about this, but (possibly because I’m an unassimilated immigrant) I don’t. Instead, I wonder what the four white victims of the December 2000 Wichita Massacre looked like...

VDARE.COM does not, as it happens, advocate lynching. But it cannot be denied that Till was lynched for what would now be called the sexual harassment of a white woman. And elementary math suggests that, in the almost five decades since his death, up to 1.5 million white women may have been raped by blacks. Perhaps 50,000 whites may have been killed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;VDare &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://malkin-watch.blogspot.com/2005/03/who-keeps-company-with-wolves-will.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;racist&lt;/a&gt;. Suggestions otherwise are simply ridiculous.

(sorry for the blogwhore)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Brimelow, editor of Vdare.com, ladies and gentlemen:<br />
<blockquote>
I know I’m supposed to feel guilty about this, but (possibly because I’m an unassimilated immigrant) I don’t. Instead, I wonder what the four white victims of the December 2000 Wichita Massacre looked like&#8230;</p>
<p>VDARE.COM does not, as it happens, advocate lynching. But it cannot be denied that Till was lynched for what would now be called the sexual harassment of a white woman. And elementary math suggests that, in the almost five decades since his death, up to 1.5 million white women may have been raped by blacks. Perhaps 50,000 whites may have been killed.</p></blockquote>
<p>VDare <em>is</em> <a href="http://malkin-watch.blogspot.com/2005/03/who-keeps-company-with-wolves-will.html" rel="nofollow">racist</a>. Suggestions otherwise are simply ridiculous.</p>
<p>(sorry for the blogwhore)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27553</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doc lewis says: 

&lt;em&gt;I’m there because it’s a place for law students to talk. I don’t impose my personal values/morals because, as I said above, I’m not that much of a self important blowhard.&lt;/em&gt;

... without his brain exploding from the irony, odd given that he&#039;s saying the above on a blog where he&#039;s spent the last three days standing up for his personal value of not standing up for his personal values.

&lt;em&gt; My “community’s” value is enhanced by allowing people to speak their mind. &lt;/em&gt;

Shorter doc lewis: rape threats enhance my life, so screw you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doc lewis says: </p>
<p><em>I’m there because it’s a place for law students to talk. I don’t impose my personal values/morals because, as I said above, I’m not that much of a self important blowhard.</em></p>
<p>&#8230; without his brain exploding from the irony, odd given that he&#8217;s saying the above on a blog where he&#8217;s spent the last three days standing up for his personal value of not standing up for his personal values.</p>
<p><em> My “community’s” value is enhanced by allowing people to speak their mind. </em></p>
<p>Shorter doc lewis: rape threats enhance my life, so screw you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristjan Wager</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27543</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristjan Wager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In a life before law school, I spent three years at a job where one of my duties involved trying to identify individuals based on their IP address. You would not believe how difficult this task is, particularly when dealing with ISPs and other institutions that do not consider these issues a high priority (why would they, given that it pisses off their consumers and costs them money?). For a real life example, you might want to consider just how many RIAA lawsuits have been dismissed because of a failure to connect an IP address to an individual.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, because 9/11 didn&#039;t change that at all. It&#039;s very easy these days to identify individuals, since the ISPs actively work together with law enforcements, and are reqiured to keep records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In a life before law school, I spent three years at a job where one of my duties involved trying to identify individuals based on their IP address. You would not believe how difficult this task is, particularly when dealing with ISPs and other institutions that do not consider these issues a high priority (why would they, given that it pisses off their consumers and costs them money?). For a real life example, you might want to consider just how many RIAA lawsuits have been dismissed because of a failure to connect an IP address to an individual.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, because 9/11 didn&#8217;t change that at all. It&#8217;s very easy these days to identify individuals, since the ISPs actively work together with law enforcements, and are reqiured to keep records.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27525</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 02:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;your constant talking about how screwed we’re all gonna be *should* someone decide to bring assault or harassment charges, or if someone *should* happen to come across our association with a terrible horrible no good very bad website? you don’t think you implied anything? ok, whatever.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s time you learned the difference between a warning and a threat.

Again, look for the conditionals:  &quot;should&quot; vs. &quot;will&quot; or &quot;when.&quot;

Let me tell you a story of what happens when sexual/racial harassers get caught.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware of Baker &amp; McKenzie, one of the biggest firms in the world.  A dozen years ago or so, they were banned from recruiting on the top law schools&#039; campuses because of racist and sexist comments some of their partners had made while recruiting on campus.  

You probably haven&#039;t worked in the real world; and summer associateships don&#039;t count as the real world.  You&#039;ll learn.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>your constant talking about how screwed we’re all gonna be *should* someone decide to bring assault or harassment charges, or if someone *should* happen to come across our association with a terrible horrible no good very bad website? you don’t think you implied anything? ok, whatever.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s time you learned the difference between a warning and a threat.</p>
<p>Again, look for the conditionals:  &#8220;should&#8221; vs. &#8220;will&#8221; or &#8220;when.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me tell you a story of what happens when sexual/racial harassers get caught.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware of Baker &amp; McKenzie, one of the biggest firms in the world.  A dozen years ago or so, they were banned from recruiting on the top law schools&#8217; campuses because of racist and sexist comments some of their partners had made while recruiting on campus.  </p>
<p>You probably haven&#8217;t worked in the real world; and summer associateships don&#8217;t count as the real world.  You&#8217;ll learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>piny:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;In other words, you’re not the guy who catcalls a woman on the subway, you’re just the jerk who pretends that his WSJ has suddenly turned into a Cone of Silence. Just as a judiciously inserted, “Hey, you shouldn’t talk to her like that,” wouldn’t amount to a violation of free speech in that situation, it doesn’t amount to an imposition in this one. And just as that guy is associating with a sexist asshole–demonstrating neutrality towards the elephant who is standing on the mouse’s tail–so are you. Your silence maintains a misogynist’s comfort, and makes it not merely possible but easy for him to say horrible things about women that trivialize rape and sexual violence. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thank you.  I was trying to say that, and that the quality of life is improved for all involved if we alltry at least to realize we are all stakeholders.

It appears I was not getting through.

There is an old say that &quot;dying is easy, comedy is hard.&quot;

This stuff is lot worse than comedy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>piny:<br />
<blockquote><em>In other words, you’re not the guy who catcalls a woman on the subway, you’re just the jerk who pretends that his WSJ has suddenly turned into a Cone of Silence. Just as a judiciously inserted, “Hey, you shouldn’t talk to her like that,” wouldn’t amount to a violation of free speech in that situation, it doesn’t amount to an imposition in this one. And just as that guy is associating with a sexist asshole–demonstrating neutrality towards the elephant who is standing on the mouse’s tail–so are you. Your silence maintains a misogynist’s comfort, and makes it not merely possible but easy for him to say horrible things about women that trivialize rape and sexual violence. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you.  I was trying to say that, and that the quality of life is improved for all involved if we alltry at least to realize we are all stakeholders.</p>
<p>It appears I was not getting through.</p>
<p>There is an old say that &#8220;dying is easy, comedy is hard.&#8221;</p>
<p>This stuff is lot worse than comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/04/a-follow-up/#comment-27521</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Tacit approval? I *want* to “associate” with them? What are you implying if you aren’t trying to threaten me that “something bad” could happen to me? Or are you really deep down concerned with my reputation? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since you&#039;re gone, I suppose it&#039;s not fair, but hey: I don&#039;t care.  

He&#039;s &quot;implying,&quot; or, rather, straight-out saying, that you&#039;re responsible, obligated, culpable.  That you &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; complain, and that it isn&#039;t &quot;imposing&quot; anything on anyone to do so--a distinction you go to great pains to make when you talk about how Jill should just ignore and avoid the rape comments.  Since you aren&#039;t complaining, you&#039;re part of the problem: you&#039;re helping to create an environment where people are not only free to say horrible things about women, but able to do so without encountering any criticism.  

In other words, you&#039;re not the guy who catcalls a woman on the subway, you&#039;re just the jerk who pretends that his WSJ has suddenly turned into a Cone of Silence.  Just as a judiciously inserted, &quot;Hey, you shouldn&#039;t talk to her like that,&quot; wouldn&#039;t amount to a violation of free speech in that situation, it doesn&#039;t amount to an imposition in this one.  And just as that guy is associating with a sexist asshole--demonstrating neutrality towards the elephant who is standing on the mouse&#039;s tail--so are you.  Your silence maintains a misogynist&#039;s comfort, and makes it not merely possible but easy for him to say horrible things about women that trivialize rape and sexual violence.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Tacit approval? I *want* to “associate” with them? What are you implying if you aren’t trying to threaten me that “something bad” could happen to me? Or are you really deep down concerned with my reputation? </p></blockquote>
<p>Since you&#8217;re gone, I suppose it&#8217;s not fair, but hey: I don&#8217;t care.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s &#8220;implying,&#8221; or, rather, straight-out saying, that you&#8217;re responsible, obligated, culpable.  That you <em>should</em> complain, and that it isn&#8217;t &#8220;imposing&#8221; anything on anyone to do so&#8211;a distinction you go to great pains to make when you talk about how Jill should just ignore and avoid the rape comments.  Since you aren&#8217;t complaining, you&#8217;re part of the problem: you&#8217;re helping to create an environment where people are not only free to say horrible things about women, but able to do so without encountering any criticism.  </p>
<p>In other words, you&#8217;re not the guy who catcalls a woman on the subway, you&#8217;re just the jerk who pretends that his WSJ has suddenly turned into a Cone of Silence.  Just as a judiciously inserted, &#8220;Hey, you shouldn&#8217;t talk to her like that,&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t amount to a violation of free speech in that situation, it doesn&#8217;t amount to an imposition in this one.  And just as that guy is associating with a sexist asshole&#8211;demonstrating neutrality towards the elephant who is standing on the mouse&#8217;s tail&#8211;so are you.  Your silence maintains a misogynist&#8217;s comfort, and makes it not merely possible but easy for him to say horrible things about women that trivialize rape and sexual violence.</p>
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