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	<title>Comments on: Distancing Roe from Griswold</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/10/distancing-roe-from-griswold/#comment-28130</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An intellectually and morally honest pro-lifer &lt;/blockquote&gt;

When was the last time you saw one of those going through confirmation hearings?  Probably not since Bork -- and of course, the extremism of his views, laid out for the world to see, was what did him in.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An intellectually and morally honest pro-lifer </p></blockquote>
<p>When was the last time you saw one of those going through confirmation hearings?  Probably not since Bork &#8212; and of course, the extremism of his views, laid out for the world to see, was what did him in.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/10/distancing-roe-from-griswold/#comment-28122</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it was &lt;i&gt;Griswold&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Eisenstadt&lt;/i&gt; that &#039;created&#039; the right to privacy--not &lt;i&gt;Roe&lt;/i&gt;, as pro-lifers who have never read either will claim. You can&#039;t destroy the basis of &lt;i&gt;Roe&lt;/i&gt; without destroying the right of privacy, unless you are a lying sack of shit who pretends that the &lt;i&gt;Roe&lt;/i&gt; court wasn&#039;t relying on that precedent after all. Not that I&#039;m naming names or anything.

An intellectually and morally honest pro-lifer would simply argue that the state&#039;s interest in fetal life outweighs the mother&#039;s privacy interest. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it was <i>Griswold</i> and <i>Eisenstadt</i> that &#8216;created&#8217; the right to privacy&#8211;not <i>Roe</i>, as pro-lifers who have never read either will claim. You can&#8217;t destroy the basis of <i>Roe</i> without destroying the right of privacy, unless you are a lying sack of shit who pretends that the <i>Roe</i> court wasn&#8217;t relying on that precedent after all. Not that I&#8217;m naming names or anything.</p>
<p>An intellectually and morally honest pro-lifer would simply argue that the state&#8217;s interest in fetal life outweighs the mother&#8217;s privacy interest.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/01/10/distancing-roe-from-griswold/#comment-28088</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also worth noting that Griswold dealt only with the privacy of married couples.  It wasn&#039;t until Eisenstadt v. Baird that the privacy rights of unmarried people was recognized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that Griswold dealt only with the privacy of married couples.  It wasn&#8217;t until Eisenstadt v. Baird that the privacy rights of unmarried people was recognized.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Scott.  That&#039;s what I get for doing this from memory.  Next time I&#039;ll re-read the case before I spout off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Scott.  That&#8217;s what I get for doing this from memory.  Next time I&#8217;ll re-read the case before I spout off.</p>
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		<title>By: Technocracygirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technocracygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a nut: &lt;em&gt;Senator’s Leahy, Kennedy and Biden have been the joke throughout the news because they talked more than they asked questions. &lt;/em&gt;

Really?  One more nail in the &quot;liberal media&quot; coffin, then.  Did they even listen to Brownback, Hatch, Sessions, or Kyl?  I don&#039;t even want to think about how long I listened to Brownback rhapsodizing about how Roe &quot;wasn&#039;t settled law&quot; and how Plessy showed that even precedents could be overturned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a nut: <em>Senator’s Leahy, Kennedy and Biden have been the joke throughout the news because they talked more than they asked questions. </em></p>
<p>Really?  One more nail in the &#8220;liberal media&#8221; coffin, then.  Did they even listen to Brownback, Hatch, Sessions, or Kyl?  I don&#8217;t even want to think about how long I listened to Brownback rhapsodizing about how Roe &#8220;wasn&#8217;t settled law&#8221; and how Plessy showed that even precedents could be overturned.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of fine points:

The Connecticut statute did not explicitly ban the sale of contraceptives, only the use.  The doctor was convicted (and thus had standing to challenge the law) of a statute that said that &quot;&#039;[a]ny person who assists, abets, counsels, causes, hires or commands another to commit any offense may be prosecuted and punished as if he were the principal offender.&#039;&quot;  Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 480 (1965).

Also, there was really no discussion on bodily integrity; that came later.  The Court based its decision primarily on the right of association, and how that (along with the privacy implications inherent in other rights) created a right to privacy in one&#039;s home.  Privacy made other rights possible.  To have the government intrude on it, by prosecuting for using contraceptive in this case, was intolerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of fine points:</p>
<p>The Connecticut statute did not explicitly ban the sale of contraceptives, only the use.  The doctor was convicted (and thus had standing to challenge the law) of a statute that said that &#8220;&#8216;[a]ny person who assists, abets, counsels, causes, hires or commands another to commit any offense may be prosecuted and punished as if he were the principal offender.&#8217;&#8221;  Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 480 (1965).</p>
<p>Also, there was really no discussion on bodily integrity; that came later.  The Court based its decision primarily on the right of association, and how that (along with the privacy implications inherent in other rights) created a right to privacy in one&#8217;s home.  Privacy made other rights possible.  To have the government intrude on it, by prosecuting for using contraceptive in this case, was intolerable.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas--although the actual &lt;em&gt;effect&lt;/em&gt; of the CT statute was to stop Planned Parenthood clincs from operating, the statute itself actually banned the use of contraception, not just the sale. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas&#8211;although the actual <em>effect</em> of the CT statute was to stop Planned Parenthood clincs from operating, the statute itself actually banned the use of contraception, not just the sale.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Griswold&lt;/em&gt; was about the right of a married couple to obtain contraception from a clinic.  Connecticut law barred the sale of contraception.  It started the use of the term &quot;right to privacy&quot; to refer to a right, not explicit in the text of the Constitution but implicit in the system of liberties established by the Bill of Rights -- freedom from searches in our homes and papers, freedom of expression and to practice our religious, freedom from intrusion by government troops boarded in our houses (forgot that one, didn&#039;t you?), etc.

I think Jill has it right -- admitting that one doubts &lt;em&gt;Griswold&lt;/em&gt; would be fatal, so he&#039;s trying to save it; but the conservatives can neither tolerate the procedural nor substantive result: they hate it because it is the very cornerstone of flexible reading of the Constitution, saying that the document has a cohesive theory to it from which can be extrapolated rights that are not in the plain text (especially the kind of rights that permit people&#039;s private conduct to be free of interference by meddling religious bluenoses); and it grants a right to contraception the purpose of which is to separate sex from some of its biological consequences and make it solely about pleasure and intimacy.  Alito I think rightly realizes that the second can&#039;t be changed, and instead wants to say that &lt;em&gt;Griswold&lt;/em&gt; reaches its conclusion through different reasoning, invalidating both the result and methodology of &lt;em&gt;Roe&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Griswold</em> was about the right of a married couple to obtain contraception from a clinic.  Connecticut law barred the sale of contraception.  It started the use of the term &#8220;right to privacy&#8221; to refer to a right, not explicit in the text of the Constitution but implicit in the system of liberties established by the Bill of Rights &#8212; freedom from searches in our homes and papers, freedom of expression and to practice our religious, freedom from intrusion by government troops boarded in our houses (forgot that one, didn&#8217;t you?), etc.</p>
<p>I think Jill has it right &#8212; admitting that one doubts <em>Griswold</em> would be fatal, so he&#8217;s trying to save it; but the conservatives can neither tolerate the procedural nor substantive result: they hate it because it is the very cornerstone of flexible reading of the Constitution, saying that the document has a cohesive theory to it from which can be extrapolated rights that are not in the plain text (especially the kind of rights that permit people&#8217;s private conduct to be free of interference by meddling religious bluenoses); and it grants a right to contraception the purpose of which is to separate sex from some of its biological consequences and make it solely about pleasure and intimacy.  Alito I think rightly realizes that the second can&#8217;t be changed, and instead wants to say that <em>Griswold</em> reaches its conclusion through different reasoning, invalidating both the result and methodology of <em>Roe</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, &quot;Griswald&quot; concerned the right of a man who has endured great suffering in an attempt to bring his family to a theme park to obtain access, ride the rides, and just generally be a swell dad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, &#8220;Griswald&#8221; concerned the right of a man who has endured great suffering in an attempt to bring his family to a theme park to obtain access, ride the rides, and just generally be a swell dad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I didn&#039;t hear that part of his testimony.  Of course the headlines just said &quot;Alito agrees with Griswald&quot;.  I can&#039;t remember the facts in Griswald.  Didn&#039;t it involve birth control being mailed to a home, hence the &quot;right to privacy&quot; remarks by Alito?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I didn&#8217;t hear that part of his testimony.  Of course the headlines just said &#8220;Alito agrees with Griswald&#8221;.  I can&#8217;t remember the facts in Griswald.  Didn&#8217;t it involve birth control being mailed to a home, hence the &#8220;right to privacy&#8221; remarks by Alito?</p>
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