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		<title>By: ginmar</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/02/01/the-vacuum-myth/#comment-30939</link>
		<dc:creator>ginmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>  And why is Robert here, again?  Huh, let me check: feminist blog, non-feminist Robert.  What a combination.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why is Robert here, again?  Huh, let me check: feminist blog, non-feminist Robert.  What a combination.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/02/01/the-vacuum-myth/#comment-30724</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Women are taught from childhood that they’re the ones who are going to be taking care of things.&lt;/i&gt;

By whom?

&lt;i&gt;Well, let me be the first, then, to tell you that women are not all feminists, and there are a great number of women who support the patriarchy and in fact, the patriarchy depends upon the support of women.&lt;/i&gt;

OK. Then get your own shit together and stop oppressing yourselves.

&lt;i&gt;And that’s what makes the patriarchy even more disgusting: women are encouraged to fight to be the most feminine and men don’t even appreciate us for it.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah. If only you had some kind of organ in your body that would permit you to analyze things like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Women are taught from childhood that they’re the ones who are going to be taking care of things.</i></p>
<p>By whom?</p>
<p><i>Well, let me be the first, then, to tell you that women are not all feminists, and there are a great number of women who support the patriarchy and in fact, the patriarchy depends upon the support of women.</i></p>
<p>OK. Then get your own shit together and stop oppressing yourselves.</p>
<p><i>And that’s what makes the patriarchy even more disgusting: women are encouraged to fight to be the most feminine and men don’t even appreciate us for it.</i></p>
<p>Yeah. If only you had some kind of organ in your body that would permit you to analyze things like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/02/01/the-vacuum-myth/#comment-30719</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And it isn’t men who insist on the time being put in. MEN DON’T CARE.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait wait, you&#039;ve been lectured about privelege for 20 years and you never figured out that patriarchy != men?  You&#039;re so wordly in the ways of feminism but nobody&#039;s ever pointed out that women frequently support the patriarchy?  Well, let me be the first, then, to tell you that women are not all feminists, and there are a great number of women who support the patriarchy and in fact, the patriarchy depends upon the support of women.  

Little girls are told from early childhood that to get a man is the most important thing in the world, and to get a man you must be pretty, well-groomed, made up, stay fashionable, be nice, be clean, love kids, be self-sacrificing, know how to cook, be slim, etc.  Then they are told that there are only a few &quot;good men&quot; and you must be nic&lt;i&gt;er&lt;/i&gt;, clean&lt;i&gt;er&lt;/i&gt;, prett&lt;i&gt;ier&lt;/i&gt;, thinn&lt;i&gt;er&lt;/i&gt; than those around you in order to get the &quot;good men&quot;.  

So &lt;i&gt;of course&lt;/i&gt; we compete with each other.  &lt;i&gt;Of course&lt;/i&gt; we criticize each other for not being up to snuff.  The femininity that is thrust upon us is not merely a performance, it is a competition.  Women do this shit to compete for men because that is how we are programmed by the patriarchy.

And of course men don&#039;t care.  You don&#039;t have to.  Cleaning or not cleaning, it&#039;s not your responsibility.  The culture at large doesn&#039;t encourage you to care.  And that&#039;s what makes the patriarchy even more disgusting:  women are encouraged to fight to be the most feminine and men don&#039;t even appreciate us for it.  And what does Mama Culture tell us to do to make men appreciate us for our hard work at becoming feminine?  Pick up any mainstream women&#039;s magazine and you&#039;ll find out.  And it&#039;s definitely not &quot;stop wasting your time trying to be so damn feminine all the time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it isn’t men who insist on the time being put in. MEN DON’T CARE.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wait wait, you&#8217;ve been lectured about privelege for 20 years and you never figured out that patriarchy != men?  You&#8217;re so wordly in the ways of feminism but nobody&#8217;s ever pointed out that women frequently support the patriarchy?  Well, let me be the first, then, to tell you that women are not all feminists, and there are a great number of women who support the patriarchy and in fact, the patriarchy depends upon the support of women.  </p>
<p>Little girls are told from early childhood that to get a man is the most important thing in the world, and to get a man you must be pretty, well-groomed, made up, stay fashionable, be nice, be clean, love kids, be self-sacrificing, know how to cook, be slim, etc.  Then they are told that there are only a few &#8220;good men&#8221; and you must be nic<i>er</i>, clean<i>er</i>, prett<i>ier</i>, thinn<i>er</i> than those around you in order to get the &#8220;good men&#8221;.  </p>
<p>So <i>of course</i> we compete with each other.  <i>Of course</i> we criticize each other for not being up to snuff.  The femininity that is thrust upon us is not merely a performance, it is a competition.  Women do this shit to compete for men because that is how we are programmed by the patriarchy.</p>
<p>And of course men don&#8217;t care.  You don&#8217;t have to.  Cleaning or not cleaning, it&#8217;s not your responsibility.  The culture at large doesn&#8217;t encourage you to care.  And that&#8217;s what makes the patriarchy even more disgusting:  women are encouraged to fight to be the most feminine and men don&#8217;t even appreciate us for it.  And what does Mama Culture tell us to do to make men appreciate us for our hard work at becoming feminine?  Pick up any mainstream women&#8217;s magazine and you&#8217;ll find out.  And it&#8217;s definitely not &#8220;stop wasting your time trying to be so damn feminine all the time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WookieMonster</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/02/01/the-vacuum-myth/#comment-30713</link>
		<dc:creator>WookieMonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People keep commenting that, &quot;men don&#039;t care&quot;.  Well I haven&#039;t seen that at all.  Men don&#039;t clean, but if the woman doesn&#039;t either they start with either the passive agressive, &quot;Gee, it&#039;s awefully messy around here lately,&quot; type BS or outright complaints of how filthy YOU&#039;VE let it become, but never once consider picking up a rag and cleaning up after their own damn self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People keep commenting that, &#8220;men don&#8217;t care&#8221;.  Well I haven&#8217;t seen that at all.  Men don&#8217;t clean, but if the woman doesn&#8217;t either they start with either the passive agressive, &#8220;Gee, it&#8217;s awefully messy around here lately,&#8221; type BS or outright complaints of how filthy YOU&#8217;VE let it become, but never once consider picking up a rag and cleaning up after their own damn self.</p>
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		<title>By: Mamid</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/02/01/the-vacuum-myth/#comment-30706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mamid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vaccums made women more subservient.  Instead of larger households where women shared the work, post WWs, the emphasis was on just two adults (mom/dad) and the kids in the home.  No more extended family.  No more sharing the burden. Suddenly the expectation was that mom would take care of everything - children, chores, husband.  Then, with the advent of a two income family becoming the norm, instead of sharing the load, father spends less hours doing chores than mom.  So, by the time she was able to go to bed, she&#039;d be exhausted.
Then there&#039;s the women who don&#039;t have vaccuums or washer/dryers.  Do the new standards get lowered for them?  Nope.  They too must have the place just as immaculate.
June Cleaver is a joke.  Even Roseanne&#039;s place was clean.  The messes there were staged, not real.  But, we are expected to have our places as clean as theirs without help.  Even Flylady is very 1950&#039;s with her philosophy of cleaning of going the extra so that your family will happily help out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vaccums made women more subservient.  Instead of larger households where women shared the work, post WWs, the emphasis was on just two adults (mom/dad) and the kids in the home.  No more extended family.  No more sharing the burden. Suddenly the expectation was that mom would take care of everything &#8211; children, chores, husband.  Then, with the advent of a two income family becoming the norm, instead of sharing the load, father spends less hours doing chores than mom.  So, by the time she was able to go to bed, she&#8217;d be exhausted.<br />
Then there&#8217;s the women who don&#8217;t have vaccuums or washer/dryers.  Do the new standards get lowered for them?  Nope.  They too must have the place just as immaculate.<br />
June Cleaver is a joke.  Even Roseanne&#8217;s place was clean.  The messes there were staged, not real.  But, we are expected to have our places as clean as theirs without help.  Even Flylady is very 1950&#8242;s with her philosophy of cleaning of going the extra so that your family will happily help out.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/02/01/the-vacuum-myth/#comment-30678</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And it isn’t men who insist on the time being put in. MEN DON’T CARE. Fine, there is a horrible patriarchy that oppresses women in every area of life. Men get their wishes whenever we care to deploy the awesome Universal Omniscient Penis Ray, the secret source of the patriarchy’s 6000-year dominance.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Men don&#039;t care because they&#039;re taught from childhood that they don&#039;t have to care.  It will be taken care of.  Women are taught from childhood that they&#039;re the ones who are going to be taking care of things.

I remember reading a Garrison Keillor column on Thanksgiving, and how it was his favorite holiday because, among other things, &quot;you just sit down to it.&quot;  I let out a yell, because as much as I love the guy, here&#039;s a fine example of someone who has no idea or appreciation that &lt;em&gt;somebody&lt;/em&gt; did the work to get the meal ready that he was just sitting down to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it isn’t men who insist on the time being put in. MEN DON’T CARE. Fine, there is a horrible patriarchy that oppresses women in every area of life. Men get their wishes whenever we care to deploy the awesome Universal Omniscient Penis Ray, the secret source of the patriarchy’s 6000-year dominance.</p>
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<p>Men don&#8217;t care because they&#8217;re taught from childhood that they don&#8217;t have to care.  It will be taken care of.  Women are taught from childhood that they&#8217;re the ones who are going to be taking care of things.</p>
<p>I remember reading a Garrison Keillor column on Thanksgiving, and how it was his favorite holiday because, among other things, &#8220;you just sit down to it.&#8221;  I let out a yell, because as much as I love the guy, here&#8217;s a fine example of someone who has no idea or appreciation that <em>somebody</em> did the work to get the meal ready that he was just sitting down to.</p>
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		<title>By: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/02/01/the-vacuum-myth/#comment-30676</link>
		<dc:creator>Hershele Ostropoler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas:
&lt;blockquote&gt;They have come to understand that, while they might pressure my wife, trying to tell me what to do is about as effective as yelling at a boulder is likely to make it get up and move.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe that&#039;s the same sort of thing, though: men are not to be told what to do, that&#039;s a woman&#039;s role.

Marian:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I remember as a kid being told (in Madison WI to boot, not some huge city) that going to the mall, park, or even backyard alone was dangerous, and that someone would offer you candy, then grab you and force you into their car, never to be heard from again.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Me too. To this day, I&#039;m suspicious of strangers.

I mean, that probably enhances my avoidant tendencies rather than causing or contributing to them, but I&#039;m convinced it&#039;s part of the problem.

EJ:
&lt;blockquote&gt;my husband grew up in a very messy house, and, is slobby not because he doesn’t feel responsible, but because he honestly doesn’t care if its messy or if people see that its messy&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think it&#039;s mostly men who have the luxury of having that attitude. Women have it pounded into them from childhood that if the house isn&#039;t clean, they&#039;re falling down on the job. Men do not, so it&#039;s easier for us not to care if our houses look like hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas:</p>
<blockquote><p>They have come to understand that, while they might pressure my wife, trying to tell me what to do is about as effective as yelling at a boulder is likely to make it get up and move.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s the same sort of thing, though: men are not to be told what to do, that&#8217;s a woman&#8217;s role.</p>
<p>Marian:</p>
<blockquote><p>I remember as a kid being told (in Madison WI to boot, not some huge city) that going to the mall, park, or even backyard alone was dangerous, and that someone would offer you candy, then grab you and force you into their car, never to be heard from again.</p></blockquote>
<p>Me too. To this day, I&#8217;m suspicious of strangers.</p>
<p>I mean, that probably enhances my avoidant tendencies rather than causing or contributing to them, but I&#8217;m convinced it&#8217;s part of the problem.</p>
<p>EJ:</p>
<blockquote><p>my husband grew up in a very messy house, and, is slobby not because he doesn’t feel responsible, but because he honestly doesn’t care if its messy or if people see that its messy</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it&#8217;s mostly men who have the luxury of having that attitude. Women have it pounded into them from childhood that if the house isn&#8217;t clean, they&#8217;re falling down on the job. Men do not, so it&#8217;s easier for us not to care if our houses look like hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can see their original color through the dust, more or less, and if you just run a lighter along the base once it gets really fuzzy, it does a self-cleaning “flame” cycle, just like the oven.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re going to have to detail this trick because I can&#039;t be bothered to dust the blinds.  I keep hoping the dust will recycle itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can see their original color through the dust, more or less, and if you just run a lighter along the base once it gets really fuzzy, it does a self-cleaning “flame” cycle, just like the oven.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re going to have to detail this trick because I can&#8217;t be bothered to dust the blinds.  I keep hoping the dust will recycle itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/02/01/the-vacuum-myth/#comment-30669</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to my dad&#039;s credit, once he retired he picked up some of the housework.  We even have a picture from the first time he picked up the vacuum and tried to clean up after himself (mom snuck it -- dad was not amused).

But even just yesterday when he picked up E before I went to an early subbing job, I asked him to throw a sweatshirt in the dryer for E at his house and dad admitted that he doesn&#039;t know how to use the dryer.  The invisible hand of women&#039;s work again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to my dad&#8217;s credit, once he retired he picked up some of the housework.  We even have a picture from the first time he picked up the vacuum and tried to clean up after himself (mom snuck it &#8212; dad was not amused).</p>
<p>But even just yesterday when he picked up E before I went to an early subbing job, I asked him to throw a sweatshirt in the dryer for E at his house and dad admitted that he doesn&#8217;t know how to use the dryer.  The invisible hand of women&#8217;s work again.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have missed it, but I can&#039;t believe no one has pointed out the number of days a week it takes to keep a house looking &quot;clean&quot; compared to the number of hours it takes a yard to look &quot;clean.&quot;

One of the comments that has always stuck with me is when my mother pointed out to my father that his yardwork is valuable, yes, but 100% of the housework versus 100% of the yardwork isn&#039;t equal.  If she spends three hours a day cooking, cleaning, and laundering in addition to her paid work, that doesn&#039;t compare to the three hours a week dad might spend on the lawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have missed it, but I can&#8217;t believe no one has pointed out the number of days a week it takes to keep a house looking &#8220;clean&#8221; compared to the number of hours it takes a yard to look &#8220;clean.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the comments that has always stuck with me is when my mother pointed out to my father that his yardwork is valuable, yes, but 100% of the housework versus 100% of the yardwork isn&#8217;t equal.  If she spends three hours a day cooking, cleaning, and laundering in addition to her paid work, that doesn&#8217;t compare to the three hours a week dad might spend on the lawn.</p>
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