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  1. N. Mallory
    N. Mallory March 11, 2006 at 12:25 pm |

    I don’t understand why but every single time I read one of these stories I wonder how it’s possible that there are still people in the world that think this kind of behavior is o.k.

  2. Chet
    Chet March 11, 2006 at 12:35 pm |

    The sad truth is that we come to understand what is “ok” by observation of what others are doing. If you see your co-workers herd Jews into a gas chamber, you’re going to think that’s ok.

    If you see your two buddies raping an unconscious woman on a pool table, you’re going to think that’s ok, too. These guys aren’t sicko monsters who we can’t understand; the truth is worse. They’re entirely normal human beings. You and I are entirely capable of what these men did in the same situation. Our only hope is to recognize the situation when we’re in the middle of it and be able to recognize right from wrong.

  3. Tuomas
    Tuomas March 11, 2006 at 12:37 pm |

    The victim was apparently pleased with the sentences, and the perps themselves made statements that indicate at least some awareness of the wrongness of what they did:


    Scumbags are all sorry when they get caught. God knows I don’t have endless source of sympathy, and I’ll reserve mine towards the victim and towards people not guilty of sexually assaulting a girl on a pool table.

    Not saying anyone (or you) necessarily disagrees this time, but I had to say it.

  4. June
    June March 11, 2006 at 1:01 pm |

    Only 6 years apiece?!?

    That just doesn’t seem like very much, considering what they did.

    It’s also just so frustrating that even with something captured on video they still argue “consent.”

  5. comandante agi
    comandante agi March 11, 2006 at 1:58 pm |

    I live in Orange County and have been following this case for awhile. Someone calling themselves a friend of one of the defendants left a comment on my post about the Haidl sentencing. He thinks that:

    not only was it not rape, NONE of the kids thought of it as “sexual assault”, including the alleged victim, and the female friends of everyone

    Sickening, eh?

    He must like their defense attorney Joe Cavallo who called Jane Doe a “wannabe pornstar”. At one of his brighter moments, Cavallo tried convincing the jury that the pool queue Jane Doe was violated with was not much bigger than an average penis, so it couldn’t have hurt her that much.

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  7. Tuomas
    Tuomas March 11, 2006 at 2:12 pm |


    They can reform, if they want it bad enough. I’m hugely sceptical, though, as should everyone be, as past history is an useful indicator for future acts. I’d be happy if they just end up thoroughly disincentivized from raping in the future by having their naive, entitled thought of getting away with it shattered. (IMHO second-time offenders in serious crimes like murder, kidnap and rape should not receive a third chance to commit the said crimes. Ever. “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me”. For first-timers, it just might be possible to allow possible reformation).

    Prison has nothing to do with redemption: I’ts a prudent system of seperating bad apples from the batch, and taking the need for revenge and vendetta from invidual people to (supposedly) objective courts.

    Only 6 years apiece?!?

    If that case was within EU, that would be positively huge sentence. I’d seriously bet money for something like “one year on probation”, with one year in prison as the runner up. I wish I were kidding on this one, but at some point people here decided that punishing criminals would be wrong somehow. At least the U.S has sense on maintaining it’s “barbaric” position on crime (as in criminals should be punished). Ten years for the said crime would be proper if you ask me, with the next time (OT) resulting in pretty much automatic death penalty.

  8. Marith
    Marith March 12, 2006 at 1:00 am |

    I don’t want to make the cliched American mistake of thinking that money can solve everything, but I think it’s a great idea for the victim to take this to civil courts and see if she can’t drain that millionaire dad asshole who was a huge part of the “she’s a slut” smear campaign. Here’s hoping she can at least achieve some compensation, however slight, for what she went through.

  9. Lauren
    Lauren March 12, 2006 at 1:11 am |

    Civil suit starts next week, and though she’s suing for over ten mil it sounds like every bit of it will go to lawyers and court fees.

  10. mythago
    mythago March 12, 2006 at 1:47 am |

    Why do you think that? She’s not likely to get $26 million, but her lawyers are going to have a little ‘splainin to do if she wins but gets nothing.

  11. Shasta MacNasty
    Shasta MacNasty March 12, 2006 at 12:15 pm |

    I’m confused, how does “faking unconciousness” make for training to be a porn star? Seriously, that makes no effing sense.

  12. Lauren
    Lauren March 12, 2006 at 12:26 pm |

    “What I did to Jane Doe in the criminal case was child’s play compared to what I can do to her in a civil case.”

    That. That is Fucked Up.

  13. Sophist
    Sophist March 12, 2006 at 12:47 pm |

    I guess you don’t have to physically violate your victim to be a rapist.

  14. mythago
    mythago March 12, 2006 at 2:24 pm |

    Cavallo has delusions of adequacy. Apparently he’s forgotten that, unlike in criminal cases, his clients will not be shielded from testifying by the Fifth Amendment, and his clients are subject to the same kind of investigation as the plaintiff. I guess it gives him a good excuse to run up some fat billing, though.

    Also, he apparently managed to piss off the State Bar at some point.

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