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	<title>Comments on: A Big Jar and Some Pads, Please &#8212; Menarche Becomes a Gold Mine</title>
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		<title>By: ballgame</title>
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		<dc:creator>ballgame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyra: Your responses to my brief post make me sad, angry, and puzzled.

You made a suggestion about how it would be nice if the stem cell research could benefit certain horribly-treated women ... &lt;i&gt;and I endorsed your suggestion&lt;/i&gt;.

I added, however, that only an extremely small number of women &lt;i&gt;in this country&lt;/i&gt; had been mistreated this way ... &lt;i&gt;and that is factually correct&lt;/i&gt;.

I also added that a similar fate had befallen &lt;i&gt;males&lt;/i&gt; in this country, and male victims outnumbered female victims by an outrageously large ratio ... &lt;i&gt;and that is also factually correct&lt;/i&gt;.

I never said that male circumcision was equally as bad as female circumcision. But it is only trivial to the ignorant, and I do believe that all humans are entitled to intact bodies, and to be free of the painful trauma of genital mutilation. In &lt;i&gt;the U.S.&lt;/i&gt;, this problem affects males &lt;i&gt;almost exclusively&lt;/i&gt;, and yet the merest mention of these facts somehow entitles you to smear me with the baseless charge of defending &quot;male privilege&quot; and to tell me to &quot;shut the fuck up&quot;.

I don&#039;t believe in male privilege, Kyra. I believe in human rights. MY version does not come with gender blinders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyra: Your responses to my brief post make me sad, angry, and puzzled.</p>
<p>You made a suggestion about how it would be nice if the stem cell research could benefit certain horribly-treated women &#8230; <i>and I endorsed your suggestion</i>.</p>
<p>I added, however, that only an extremely small number of women <i>in this country</i> had been mistreated this way &#8230; <i>and that is factually correct</i>.</p>
<p>I also added that a similar fate had befallen <i>males</i> in this country, and male victims outnumbered female victims by an outrageously large ratio &#8230; <i>and that is also factually correct</i>.</p>
<p>I never said that male circumcision was equally as bad as female circumcision. But it is only trivial to the ignorant, and I do believe that all humans are entitled to intact bodies, and to be free of the painful trauma of genital mutilation. In <i>the U.S.</i>, this problem affects males <i>almost exclusively</i>, and yet the merest mention of these facts somehow entitles you to smear me with the baseless charge of defending &#8220;male privilege&#8221; and to tell me to &#8220;shut the fuck up&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe in male privilege, Kyra. I believe in human rights. MY version does not come with gender blinders.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think that would be a great idea … but in this country, there’s about a million times more victims of male genital mutilation.&lt;/i&gt;

That are completely prevented from feeling any sexual pleasure whatsoever? Unless there’s millions of men with their penises hacked off and their urethras sewn closed so it takes ten minutes to piss, please shut the fuck up. Or is it that since they’re men, they’re entitled to have all their smallest problems fixed before women get a chance at having much greater injuries repaired?

Can’t get more “male privilege” than a guy who thinks the loss of his foreskin is comparable to the loss of a woman’s clitoris (among other things). 

Tags.  Sorry.  Delete my last, would you please, Lauren?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think that would be a great idea … but in this country, there’s about a million times more victims of male genital mutilation.</i></p>
<p>That are completely prevented from feeling any sexual pleasure whatsoever? Unless there’s millions of men with their penises hacked off and their urethras sewn closed so it takes ten minutes to piss, please shut the fuck up. Or is it that since they’re men, they’re entitled to have all their smallest problems fixed before women get a chance at having much greater injuries repaired?</p>
<p>Can’t get more “male privilege” than a guy who thinks the loss of his foreskin is comparable to the loss of a woman’s clitoris (among other things). </p>
<p>Tags.  Sorry.  Delete my last, would you please, Lauren?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that would be a great idea … but in this country, there’s about a million times more victims of male genital mutilation.

That are completely prevented from feeling any sexual pleasure whatsoever?  Unless there&#039;s millions of men with their penises hacked off and their urethras sewn closed so it takes ten minutes to piss, please shut the fuck up.  Or is it that since they&#039;re men, they&#039;re entitled to have all their smallest problems fixed before women get a chance at having much greater injuries repaired?

Can&#039;t get more &quot;male privilege&quot; than a guy who thinks the loss of his foreskin is comparable to the loss of a woman&#039;s clitoris (among other things).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that would be a great idea … but in this country, there’s about a million times more victims of male genital mutilation.</p>
<p>That are completely prevented from feeling any sexual pleasure whatsoever?  Unless there&#8217;s millions of men with their penises hacked off and their urethras sewn closed so it takes ten minutes to piss, please shut the fuck up.  Or is it that since they&#8217;re men, they&#8217;re entitled to have all their smallest problems fixed before women get a chance at having much greater injuries repaired?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t get more &#8220;male privilege&#8221; than a guy who thinks the loss of his foreskin is comparable to the loss of a woman&#8217;s clitoris (among other things).</p>
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		<title>By: binky</title>
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		<dc:creator>binky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious about the science behind this, and where, exactly, the stem cells come from.  Given the number of unfertilized - and often, fertilized - eggs that are flushed as part of the menstrual cycle, I wonder if there is, in effect, more than one kind of menstrual stem cell.  Then, maybe, I should keep such thoughts to myself. The last thing we need is the equation of &quot;using menstrual blood to extract stem cells&quot; with &quot;experimenting on babies.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious about the science behind this, and where, exactly, the stem cells come from.  Given the number of unfertilized &#8211; and often, fertilized &#8211; eggs that are flushed as part of the menstrual cycle, I wonder if there is, in effect, more than one kind of menstrual stem cell.  Then, maybe, I should keep such thoughts to myself. The last thing we need is the equation of &#8220;using menstrual blood to extract stem cells&#8221; with &#8220;experimenting on babies.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shakespeare's Sister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shakespeare's Sister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted about this at my place, and it got the best comment ever from &lt;a href=&quot;http://incomprehensibledemoralization.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thesaurus Rex&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;If we could run cars on that women might finally get paid what they are truly worth.&lt;/em&gt;

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted about this at my place, and it got the best comment ever from <a href="http://incomprehensibledemoralization.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Thesaurus Rex</a>:</p>
<p><em>If we could run cars on that women might finally get paid what they are truly worth.</em></p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: That Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>That Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the thread is probably about to derail anyway, Id like to add that male foreskin is used for it&#039;s great power to initiate skin growth (for burn victims, research, etc.).
It&#039;s actually my friend&#039;s job to go from hospital to hospital all day and collect foreskin from circumcisions. How about that for a job you dont want to discuss over dinner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the thread is probably about to derail anyway, Id like to add that male foreskin is used for it&#8217;s great power to initiate skin growth (for burn victims, research, etc.).<br />
It&#8217;s actually my friend&#8217;s job to go from hospital to hospital all day and collect foreskin from circumcisions. How about that for a job you dont want to discuss over dinner?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen from MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen from MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ballgame said:  &lt;em&gt;I think that would be a great idea … but in this country, there’s about a million times more victims of male genital mutilation.&lt;/em&gt;

excuse me?  i know for a fact that circumsized men can and do enjoy sex, since their sexual organs remain intact, if altered.  mutilated women have had their most sensitve sexual organs hacked away.  and they don&#039;t just not feel pleasure, but in fact feel pain during sex.

you&#039;re certainly entitled to your opinion on circumcision, but please don&#039;t trivialize the issue of female genital mutilation.  it is one of the worst symptoms of the worldwide oppression of women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ballgame said:  <em>I think that would be a great idea … but in this country, there’s about a million times more victims of male genital mutilation.</em></p>
<p>excuse me?  i know for a fact that circumsized men can and do enjoy sex, since their sexual organs remain intact, if altered.  mutilated women have had their most sensitve sexual organs hacked away.  and they don&#8217;t just not feel pleasure, but in fact feel pain during sex.</p>
<p>you&#8217;re certainly entitled to your opinion on circumcision, but please don&#8217;t trivialize the issue of female genital mutilation.  it is one of the worst symptoms of the worldwide oppression of women.</p>
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		<title>By: That Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>That Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How soon will this be another reason for the state to own uteri and make sure it&#039;s available for its own purposes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How soon will this be another reason for the state to own uteri and make sure it&#8217;s available for its own purposes?</p>
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		<title>By: Nymphalidae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nymphalidae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet. I will grow my grandma a new heart. Where do I sign up for trials?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet. I will grow my grandma a new heart. Where do I sign up for trials?</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so frigging cool.

And that link strikes me as limited--by focusing on very young people, they max out the possibilities that the people involved have narrow views of self.  Older women who like their looks are probably likely to have as many or few partners as they like, but I imagine both sexes get wise about protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so frigging cool.</p>
<p>And that link strikes me as limited&#8211;by focusing on very young people, they max out the possibilities that the people involved have narrow views of self.  Older women who like their looks are probably likely to have as many or few partners as they like, but I imagine both sexes get wise about protection.</p>
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