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	<title>Comments on: It Amazes Me&#8230;</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-37185</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I&#039;m pretty sure I didn&#039;t know she was African American until I laid eyes on her. 

What most intrigues me about her stuff is that I couldn&#039;t put it down -- even &lt;i&gt;Bloodchild&lt;/i&gt; messed up what passes for my schedule -- and I couldn&#039;t quite say why. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I&#8217;m pretty sure I didn&#8217;t know she was African American until I laid eyes on her. </p>
<p>What most intrigues me about her stuff is that I couldn&#8217;t put it down &#8212; even <i>Bloodchild</i> messed up what passes for my schedule &#8212; and I couldn&#8217;t quite say why.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36975</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think the fact she was from a different background than many other authors may very well have been the reason her writing was so unusual.

OT, but I didn&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; that she was black when I picked some of her books at the local library (The scifi section wasn&#039;t that big, so I read pretty much everything). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think the fact she was from a different background than many other authors may very well have been the reason her writing was so unusual.</p>
<p>OT, but I didn&#8217;t even <i>know</i> that she was black when I picked some of her books at the local library (The scifi section wasn&#8217;t that big, so I read pretty much everything).</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36971</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;piny:
Sometimes the fact that Octavia E. Butler was a woman and black (rare in scifi) is emphasized more than the fact that she was an incredible writer. Sort of “Look! I like African-American scifi!”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I admit that that&#039;s true.  I think, however, that her position relative to the usual canon does bear mentioning, and not in a patronizing way: when she took on that genre, she basically had to create one of her own.  And she...did.  The worlds you can imagine are defined by the world you occupy; she ventured into unpublished territory in part because she was coming from a previously unacknowledged place.  Ironically enough, the fact that her worlds were yet more alien to people weaned on Heinlein meant that she received less recognition for her work.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>piny:<br />
Sometimes the fact that Octavia E. Butler was a woman and black (rare in scifi) is emphasized more than the fact that she was an incredible writer. Sort of “Look! I like African-American scifi!”.</p></blockquote>
<p>I admit that that&#8217;s true.  I think, however, that her position relative to the usual canon does bear mentioning, and not in a patronizing way: when she took on that genre, she basically had to create one of her own.  And she&#8230;did.  The worlds you can imagine are defined by the world you occupy; she ventured into unpublished territory in part because she was coming from a previously unacknowledged place.  Ironically enough, the fact that her worlds were yet more alien to people weaned on Heinlein meant that she received less recognition for her work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36969</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>piny:
Sometimes the fact that Octavia E. Butler was a woman &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; black (rare in scifi) is emphasized more than the fact that she was an incredible writer. Sort of &quot;Look! I like African-American scifi!&quot;.

I regret that line I wrote, and hope that this doesn&#039;t turn into a race debate. I respect her and I hope this doesn&#039;t start something negative.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>piny:<br />
Sometimes the fact that Octavia E. Butler was a woman <i>and</i> black (rare in scifi) is emphasized more than the fact that she was an incredible writer. Sort of &#8220;Look! I like African-American scifi!&#8221;.</p>
<p>I regret that line I wrote, and hope that this doesn&#8217;t turn into a race debate. I respect her and I hope this doesn&#8217;t start something negative.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36965</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And trust me, I’m not praising it because of what Miss Butler was.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Considering the wealth of critical acclaim she accumulated in her lifetime, and the laudatory obits all over the press and the blogosphere, why would you assume that people here would think that?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And trust me, I’m not praising it because of what Miss Butler was.</p></blockquote>
<p>Considering the wealth of critical acclaim she accumulated in her lifetime, and the laudatory obits all over the press and the blogosphere, why would you assume that people here would think that?</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36964</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I haven’t tracked down many of her short stories– the ones I’ve read have been a part of “Years Best” collections. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right.  Apparently she hated writing them.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I haven’t tracked down many of her short stories– the ones I’ve read have been a part of “Years Best” collections. </p></blockquote>
<p>Right.  Apparently she hated writing them.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottM</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36959</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer her Parable books [Parable of the Sower, Parabel of the Talents], but her xenogenesis books were also pretty good.

I haven&#039;t tracked down many of her short stories-- the ones I&#039;ve read have been a part of &quot;Years Best&quot; collections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer her Parable books [Parable of the Sower, Parabel of the Talents], but her xenogenesis books were also pretty good.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tracked down many of her short stories&#8211; the ones I&#8217;ve read have been a part of &#8220;Years Best&#8221; collections.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36958</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36957</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I now on perma-moderate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I now on perma-moderate?</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/18/2465/#comment-36956</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said before (but not here, IIRC), but xenogenesis -trilogy (Dawn, Adulthood Rites, Imago) is amazingly good and thought-provoking. And trust me, I&#039;m not praising it because of what Miss Butler was.

It would be interesting to see an analysis on that.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said before (but not here, IIRC), but xenogenesis -trilogy (Dawn, Adulthood Rites, Imago) is amazingly good and thought-provoking. And trust me, I&#8217;m not praising it because of what Miss Butler was.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see an analysis on that.</p>
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