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		<title>By: for better or for worse  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Take that, South Dakota!</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/22/take-that-south-dakota/#comment-37382</link>
		<dc:creator>for better or for worse  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Take that, South Dakota!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ine Ridge Reservation where the State of South Dakota has absolutely no jurisdiction.” 1 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/22/take-that-south-dakota/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ine Ridge Reservation where the State of South Dakota has absolutely no jurisdiction.” 1 <a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/22/take-that-south-dakota/" rel="nofollow">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/22/take-that-south-dakota/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/22/take-that-south-dakota/#comment-37381</link>
		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Txfeminist</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/22/take-that-south-dakota/#comment-37358</link>
		<dc:creator>Txfeminist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i answered my own question. Twisty&#039;s blog has a comment on it showing she was just elected. It all makes sense now! 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i answered my own question. Twisty&#8217;s blog has a comment on it showing she was just elected. It all makes sense now!</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/22/take-that-south-dakota/#comment-37341</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indian Nations&#039; lands are not subject to state control. They are subject to federal jurisdiction-- witness the 1973 showdown between the FBI and AIM at Wounded Knee, among other incidents throughout the time that Europeans started plunging around grabbing territory in this hemisphere.

This is why states back East-- like Georgia-- wanted to expel Native Americans from within their boundaries in the 19th century. This is land within their boundaries that they cannot control.

According to federal law as it applies to &quot;domestic, dependent nations&quot; such as Indian tribes, as long as the federal government allows family planning clinics, then the Pine Ridge reservation cannot be blocked from building a family planning clinic within even a state such as South Dakota.

I say good for her. Chairman Fire Thunder is taking a principled stand against irrationality. Frankly, under treaty obligations set up when the Sioux ceded their claims to most of the Plains in exchange for money secured by the federal government in a trust fund for the Lakota people&#039;s benefit, the Sioux people should have funds for such a clinic. Not to mention electricity and telephone service and running water.

What? You didn&#039;t know that the money is missing? Try typing &quot;Indian trust fund lawsuit&quot; into google. You&#039;ll get an education there, my friends.

But back to the subject at hand. My check is in the mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indian Nations&#8217; lands are not subject to state control. They are subject to federal jurisdiction&#8211; witness the 1973 showdown between the FBI and AIM at Wounded Knee, among other incidents throughout the time that Europeans started plunging around grabbing territory in this hemisphere.</p>
<p>This is why states back East&#8211; like Georgia&#8211; wanted to expel Native Americans from within their boundaries in the 19th century. This is land within their boundaries that they cannot control.</p>
<p>According to federal law as it applies to &#8220;domestic, dependent nations&#8221; such as Indian tribes, as long as the federal government allows family planning clinics, then the Pine Ridge reservation cannot be blocked from building a family planning clinic within even a state such as South Dakota.</p>
<p>I say good for her. Chairman Fire Thunder is taking a principled stand against irrationality. Frankly, under treaty obligations set up when the Sioux ceded their claims to most of the Plains in exchange for money secured by the federal government in a trust fund for the Lakota people&#8217;s benefit, the Sioux people should have funds for such a clinic. Not to mention electricity and telephone service and running water.</p>
<p>What? You didn&#8217;t know that the money is missing? Try typing &#8220;Indian trust fund lawsuit&#8221; into google. You&#8217;ll get an education there, my friends.</p>
<p>But back to the subject at hand. My check is in the mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Txfeminist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Txfeminist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is wonderful news indeed, but I&#039;m confused on one thing. Maybe someone here has some insight.

Native Americans have always been at the mercy of IHS for health care (unless, I suppose, they can afford private care, not often likely) . IHS has only allowed twenty abortions in the last 25 years to Native American women.( IHS has a rape and life threat clause. )

So, if procuring an abortion has always been difficult for Native American women, as this would indicate, why haven&#039;t they put a Planned Parenthood on the res before now? 

Unless they have decided simply that, like casinos, PP can become a revenue source for the Oglalas? I am assuming that prior to now, perhaps a lack of support for the idea  was a deterrent, but now, with potential revenue, there is support?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is wonderful news indeed, but I&#8217;m confused on one thing. Maybe someone here has some insight.</p>
<p>Native Americans have always been at the mercy of IHS for health care (unless, I suppose, they can afford private care, not often likely) . IHS has only allowed twenty abortions in the last 25 years to Native American women.( IHS has a rape and life threat clause. )</p>
<p>So, if procuring an abortion has always been difficult for Native American women, as this would indicate, why haven&#8217;t they put a Planned Parenthood on the res before now? </p>
<p>Unless they have decided simply that, like casinos, PP can become a revenue source for the Oglalas? I am assuming that prior to now, perhaps a lack of support for the idea  was a deterrent, but now, with potential revenue, there is support?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Kanwar</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/22/take-that-south-dakota/#comment-37298</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Kanwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 05:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing but praise for Cecilia Thunder Fire and her decision not to take South Dakota’s indefensible abortion ban lying down. But it’s important to remember that a Planned Parenthood clinic on the Pine Ridge Reservation is a band-aid, it is not a complete remedy. The real problem with anti-abortion legislation, in South Dakota and elsewhere, is &lt;i&gt;displacement&lt;/i&gt;: the outsourcing of abortion to other states, to other countries, or even to private, unsupervised bedrooms thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://mollysavestheday.blogspot.com/2006/02/for-women-of-south-dakota-abortion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;do-it-yourself online manuals.&lt;/a&gt;

For a glimpse of South Dakota’s future we need only to look across the Atlantic at Portugal, which has some of the most restrictive abortion laws in Europe (although, it should be noted, at least Portugal’s abortion prohibitions provide for an exception in the case of rape).
&lt;blockquote&gt;Today, roughly 40,000 Portuguese women have illegal abortions each year, according to women&#039;s rights groups. Thousands more go abroad for the procedure, including to neighboring Spain, where the abortion law is interpreted far more liberally.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Moreover, pro-choice groups assert that hundreds of Portuguese women end up in hospitals each year because of complications resulting from illegal abortions. &quot;The women who have abortions are the poorest, the youngest, the oldest, the violence victims,&quot; said Maria Jose Magalhaes, a Porto-based member of UMAR, a women&#039;s rights lobby group. &quot;The others -- the middle class, the literate women -- they have other possibilities,&quot; including access to private clinics staffed by competent medical personnel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050218-010804-3725r.htm&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Cecilia Thunder Fire is doing an admirable thing, stepping up to the plate in an attempt to assist the South Dakotan women who would suffer most from the abortion ban: the socially and physically disadvantaged, and the victims of violence and abuse. But she should not be forced by the state of South Dakota to bear that burden alone. 

South Dakota Governor Mike Rounds, in his statement accompanying the signing of the anti-abortion legislation, said the following:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In the history of the world, the true test of a civilization is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society. The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It’s an admirable goal, to protect “the most vulnerable and most helpless” in society, and it is one that South Dakota is failing at. Miserably.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing but praise for Cecilia Thunder Fire and her decision not to take South Dakota’s indefensible abortion ban lying down. But it’s important to remember that a Planned Parenthood clinic on the Pine Ridge Reservation is a band-aid, it is not a complete remedy. The real problem with anti-abortion legislation, in South Dakota and elsewhere, is <i>displacement</i>: the outsourcing of abortion to other states, to other countries, or even to private, unsupervised bedrooms thanks to <a href="http://mollysavestheday.blogspot.com/2006/02/for-women-of-south-dakota-abortion.html" rel="nofollow">do-it-yourself online manuals.</a></p>
<p>For a glimpse of South Dakota’s future we need only to look across the Atlantic at Portugal, which has some of the most restrictive abortion laws in Europe (although, it should be noted, at least Portugal’s abortion prohibitions provide for an exception in the case of rape).</p>
<blockquote><p>Today, roughly 40,000 Portuguese women have illegal abortions each year, according to women&#8217;s rights groups. Thousands more go abroad for the procedure, including to neighboring Spain, where the abortion law is interpreted far more liberally.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Moreover, pro-choice groups assert that hundreds of Portuguese women end up in hospitals each year because of complications resulting from illegal abortions. &#8220;The women who have abortions are the poorest, the youngest, the oldest, the violence victims,&#8221; said Maria Jose Magalhaes, a Porto-based member of UMAR, a women&#8217;s rights lobby group. &#8220;The others &#8212; the middle class, the literate women &#8212; they have other possibilities,&#8221; including access to private clinics staffed by competent medical personnel.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050218-010804-3725r.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050218-010804-3725r.htm</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Cecilia Thunder Fire is doing an admirable thing, stepping up to the plate in an attempt to assist the South Dakotan women who would suffer most from the abortion ban: the socially and physically disadvantaged, and the victims of violence and abuse. But she should not be forced by the state of South Dakota to bear that burden alone. </p>
<p>South Dakota Governor Mike Rounds, in his statement accompanying the signing of the anti-abortion legislation, said the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the history of the world, the true test of a civilization is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society. The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them.</p></blockquote>
<p>It’s an admirable goal, to protect “the most vulnerable and most helpless” in society, and it is one that South Dakota is failing at. Miserably.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormwarden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormwarden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is wonderful that someone has the courage to stand up to the idiots in South Dakota. S.D. has no jurisdiction in those tribal lands anyway, so they can&#039;t even retaliate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is wonderful that someone has the courage to stand up to the idiots in South Dakota. S.D. has no jurisdiction in those tribal lands anyway, so they can&#8217;t even retaliate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ginmar, forgive my ignorance, but what does ‘NOSPAM’ translate to? @nospamyahoo.com?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It translates to &quot;cheap spam protection from page-scanning address harvesters who, lacking human intellect, are completely unable to remove a fairly obvious token before parsing the address.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ginmar, forgive my ignorance, but what does ‘NOSPAM’ translate to? @nospamyahoo.com?</p></blockquote>
<p>It translates to &#8220;cheap spam protection from page-scanning address harvesters who, lacking human intellect, are completely unable to remove a fairly obvious token before parsing the address.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel excited, but it is checked.  I don&#039;t have much faith that the asses in the White House, or those in Congress, specifically the BIA, or those in the fundie churches will let her do as she states without them applying a gargantuun smear campaign, possibly threatening to tighten up on all tribal regulations nationwide as punishment against the Souix nation. Like the psychopath who puts a gun to someone else&#039;s head and threatens to &lt;em&gt;kill&lt;/em&gt; them instead of just you if you should not fall in line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel excited, but it is checked.  I don&#8217;t have much faith that the asses in the White House, or those in Congress, specifically the BIA, or those in the fundie churches will let her do as she states without them applying a gargantuun smear campaign, possibly threatening to tighten up on all tribal regulations nationwide as punishment against the Souix nation. Like the psychopath who puts a gun to someone else&#8217;s head and threatens to <em>kill</em> them instead of just you if you should not fall in line.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Madame President! (I assume that&#039;s the proper way to address her?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Madame President! (I assume that&#8217;s the proper way to address her?)</p>
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