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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: nononono</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38376</link>
		<dc:creator>nononono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hate when this disintegrates into teenagers calling each other names.  this is exactly why we don&#039;t have more progress - no one is willing to be the bigger person and say...oh, idk, this seems to be losing productivity, let&#039;s try and stay on track...

is there really no one here mature enough to respond to this person, who you find annoying, without name calling?  really?  cause that makes me really sad and i don&#039;t know how we will make headway on these issues if we can&#039;t even manage to stay on topic with out getting lured into one word games -  without being creative enough to say, no, i&#039;m really not going to get side tracked. and, there is something called ignoring people.  if you did not respond, but instead reiterated your points, wouldn&#039;t that have had a much, much greater effect?  and would this have been a waste fo space or a  productive discussion that could have promoted action? 

very nice.  yep.  so out of this many posts, how many are about the woman and what can be done to help, promote the issue, and how many were fucking wasted by small people getting off on insulting each other.

what a fucking waste and a pathetic, absolutely pathetic response to this incident.  to  get  this side tracked...wow, is there any focus...

dick waving cunt throwing, all the same to an outside reader. no maturity, no progress. 

 if we get stuck in name calling...what a fuckign waste!!!!!!  a woman was kidnapped, beaten, strangled, raped by three men...and this gets distracted...where is the focus?  not on the victim.

this is really disappointing b/c i have been to other sites where they are using this horrible crime for really productive means.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate when this disintegrates into teenagers calling each other names.  this is exactly why we don&#8217;t have more progress &#8211; no one is willing to be the bigger person and say&#8230;oh, idk, this seems to be losing productivity, let&#8217;s try and stay on track&#8230;</p>
<p>is there really no one here mature enough to respond to this person, who you find annoying, without name calling?  really?  cause that makes me really sad and i don&#8217;t know how we will make headway on these issues if we can&#8217;t even manage to stay on topic with out getting lured into one word games &#8211;  without being creative enough to say, no, i&#8217;m really not going to get side tracked. and, there is something called ignoring people.  if you did not respond, but instead reiterated your points, wouldn&#8217;t that have had a much, much greater effect?  and would this have been a waste fo space or a  productive discussion that could have promoted action? </p>
<p>very nice.  yep.  so out of this many posts, how many are about the woman and what can be done to help, promote the issue, and how many were fucking wasted by small people getting off on insulting each other.</p>
<p>what a fucking waste and a pathetic, absolutely pathetic response to this incident.  to  get  this side tracked&#8230;wow, is there any focus&#8230;</p>
<p>dick waving cunt throwing, all the same to an outside reader. no maturity, no progress. </p>
<p> if we get stuck in name calling&#8230;what a fuckign waste!!!!!!  a woman was kidnapped, beaten, strangled, raped by three men&#8230;and this gets distracted&#8230;where is the focus?  not on the victim.</p>
<p>this is really disappointing b/c i have been to other sites where they are using this horrible crime for really productive means.</p>
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		<title>By: KnifeGhost</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38370</link>
		<dc:creator>KnifeGhost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You are going to get the 20 posts regardless. But with the long post you get an extra 180. Say half of those are mine (and hence useless in your evaluation) and that still leaves an extra 90 posts you care about. A 450% increase. Not bad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Every one of those extra 90 an attempt to rebut your blah blah blah.

Quality/quantity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You are going to get the 20 posts regardless. But with the long post you get an extra 180. Say half of those are mine (and hence useless in your evaluation) and that still leaves an extra 90 posts you care about. A 450% increase. Not bad.</p></blockquote>
<p>Every one of those extra 90 an attempt to rebut your blah blah blah.</p>
<p>Quality/quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38367</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No wonder people lament the lack of safe spaces on feminist blogs.&lt;/i&gt;

God, seriously.  When I&#039;ve linked to or mentioned this specific thread, the responses I get about it are along the lines of (in my words) &quot;God, what is the deal with the dickhead playing &#039;devil&#039;s advocate&#039; who can&#039;t shut up?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No wonder people lament the lack of safe spaces on feminist blogs.</i></p>
<p>God, seriously.  When I&#8217;ve linked to or mentioned this specific thread, the responses I get about it are along the lines of (in my words) &#8220;God, what is the deal with the dickhead playing &#8216;devil&#8217;s advocate&#8217; who can&#8217;t shut up?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38341</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;WHat I find so difficult to accept is that anyone at ALL on the Duke Campus will TALK to these guys. THey should be social pariahs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They are.  Or at least they are in most circles.  RAs have been told to watch out for the safety of their lacrosse player residents.  The team roster (with photos) has been posted around campus.  Duke hasn&#039;t acted ideally in this situation, but that&#039;s in keeping with Duke&#039;s fine tradition of helping its students get away with things; it doesn&#039;t mean the student body isn&#039;t disgusted and upset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>WHat I find so difficult to accept is that anyone at ALL on the Duke Campus will TALK to these guys. THey should be social pariahs.</p></blockquote>
<p>They are.  Or at least they are in most circles.  RAs have been told to watch out for the safety of their lacrosse player residents.  The team roster (with photos) has been posted around campus.  Duke hasn&#8217;t acted ideally in this situation, but that&#8217;s in keeping with Duke&#8217;s fine tradition of helping its students get away with things; it doesn&#8217;t mean the student body isn&#8217;t disgusted and upset.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38321</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough, Tlaloc.  Go back to your hole.  You&#039;re not welcome here anymore.

IOW, you&#039;re banned.

Ta!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough, Tlaloc.  Go back to your hole.  You&#8217;re not welcome here anymore.</p>
<p>IOW, you&#8217;re banned.</p>
<p>Ta!</p>
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		<title>By: randomliberal/Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38315</link>
		<dc:creator>randomliberal/Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Besides which the charge that I am dominating conversations is rather, well, not true.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He says in the second of three posts in a row...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Besides which the charge that I am dominating conversations is rather, well, not true.</p></blockquote>
<p>He says in the second of three posts in a row&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38314</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Interesting the moderation bug seems to have eaten a couple posts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha.  Imagine that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Interesting the moderation bug seems to have eaten a couple posts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha.  Imagine that.</p>
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		<title>By: Pato</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38313</link>
		<dc:creator>Pato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me like the rapists aren&#039;t the only ones who need a &quot;serious psychologist&quot; for long-term one-on-one treatment. Should give it a try, sweet troll.

I guess it&#039;s cheaper to work out issues of inadequacy at feminist blogs ;)

Good enough now. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me like the rapists aren&#8217;t the only ones who need a &#8220;serious psychologist&#8221; for long-term one-on-one treatment. Should give it a try, sweet troll.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s cheaper to work out issues of inadequacy at feminist blogs ;)</p>
<p>Good enough now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38312</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m laughing that he’s bragging that he’s put this blog’s comments into the upper eschalons all by his wee self. Like Feministe has never had a 200+ comment thread before he showed up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sure you have.  But simply looking at the last ten threads or so you have a bunch that are in single digits.  One or two that are in the doubles and then the ones with me that are triple digit.  That&#039;s a substantial increase.  

Maybe you have a goal of running a site with minimal discussion, I couldn&#039;t say.  However assuming you run the site with some goal of actually encouraging comments then it&#039;s pretty clear that discussions that are a bit more... diverse... involve more interest and hence more comments.

How many of your previous 200+ post threads involved everyone agreeing nicely and giving each other back massages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m laughing that he’s bragging that he’s put this blog’s comments into the upper eschalons all by his wee self. Like Feministe has never had a 200+ comment thread before he showed up.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you have.  But simply looking at the last ten threads or so you have a bunch that are in single digits.  One or two that are in the doubles and then the ones with me that are triple digit.  That&#8217;s a substantial increase.  </p>
<p>Maybe you have a goal of running a site with minimal discussion, I couldn&#8217;t say.  However assuming you run the site with some goal of actually encouraging comments then it&#8217;s pretty clear that discussions that are a bit more&#8230; diverse&#8230; involve more interest and hence more comments.</p>
<p>How many of your previous 200+ post threads involved everyone agreeing nicely and giving each other back massages?</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/28/gender-class-race-and-rape/#comment-38311</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 03:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t you find it amusing that you think you’re doing the little ladies a favor by dominating discussions with your breathtaking ignorance?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well we disagree on which of us is showing breathtaking ignorance.  Besides which the charge that I am dominating conversations is rather, well, not true.  The vast vast majority of my posts are responses to posts directed to me.  As I&#039;ve said you don&#039;t have to talk to me.  But you choose to.  And as long as you do choose to your protests that I am dominating things against your will comes off as transparently false.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don’t you find it amusing that you think you’re doing the little ladies a favor by dominating discussions with your breathtaking ignorance?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well we disagree on which of us is showing breathtaking ignorance.  Besides which the charge that I am dominating conversations is rather, well, not true.  The vast vast majority of my posts are responses to posts directed to me.  As I&#8217;ve said you don&#8217;t have to talk to me.  But you choose to.  And as long as you do choose to your protests that I am dominating things against your will comes off as transparently false.</p>
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