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  1. Ginger
    Ginger March 31, 2006 at 8:50 pm |

    “Have a cursory look at some internet porn and then tell me that gang-rape isn’t eroticized as a bonding experience for hetero men, and that even consensual group sex isn’t portrayed as one big power kick for men.”

    The increasing popularity of gonzo porn certainly reflects this sentiment.

  2. Impulsivecompulsive
    Impulsivecompulsive March 31, 2006 at 9:00 pm |

    “84% said what they did was definitely not rape”
    Why does that not suprise me? (Sorry ’bout the personal narrative here but) I went to a pub the other night and some jerk decided to slap my ass, just because it was there. And yet, when I tried to explain to him verbally and through gestures that slapping my ass is about the same as me slapping his face with the added benefit of being demeaning and lewd, he thought he had a right to get mad at me.

    So violence is okay, just as long as it’s sexualized and directed at a woman.

    Go figure.

  3. cooper
    cooper March 31, 2006 at 10:06 pm |

    Indeed I read this little ditty on this case over at real clear politics in the middle of the night which prompted me topost something about it despite my time contraints due to studies. It totally got under my skin.
    I especially loved this quote from the guy.

    Being a Maryland basketball fan I have no love for the Duke student body, but the idea that there is some kind of “culture of rape” at Duke University is just absurd. This type of attitude is a by-product of the Women’s Studies, leftist mentality that is so prevalent among student activists and faculty on college campuses.

    There are so many cross currents here (race, rape, privileged athletes, poor victim, college politics) it will be fascinating to see how this story unfolds as the facts spill out……which they will.

    This has the potential to blow up into a huge story.

  4. Nina
    Nina April 1, 2006 at 2:24 am |

    I’m going to wait for the facts on this one. I’ve seen these things turn out both ways – either the usual spoiled frat boy thing, or the lying accuser thing.

    I don’t think you can really comment on this specific case until all the facts (or lack thereof) have been sorted out, and certainly not until the DNA tests are completed.

    I think it’s just as bad to falsly accuse someone of rape as it is to rape someone. That kind of false accusation is a rape of sorts in itself. If the accusation is public enough (as it is in this case), it can affect a person’s life forever.

    And, like I said, I’ve seen similar situations end up both ways. It’s as easy for me to believe the accusers are guilty of a crime as it is for me to believe the young men in question are. So I’m not going to act like I believe either until there’s some tangible, irrefutable evidence here.

  5. DrSue
    DrSue April 1, 2006 at 11:01 am |

    But, Nina, I don’t think the authorities are saying there is any question about whether or not she was raped–just about who did it. And the men aren’t talking, which does make them all culpable to some degree, morally, at least.

    This is an important point because of the “unjust imprisonment” argument the MRAs tend to make when the topic of rape is brought up. Sometimes the man who is accused is innocent because the victim, or a witness, is mistaken about his identity. That is a terrible tragedy for the unjustly accused man, but it doesn’t mean a rape didn’t occur.

  6. ms. jared
    ms. jared April 1, 2006 at 11:18 am |

    thanks for the stats link. lots of good information there.

    we’re having the first annual walk against rape in san francisco next month to raise money and awareness about sexual violence. (so those of you that live here, please feel free to join us and/or donate.)

    it really upsets and infuriates me that people are so willing and eager to dismiss the overwhelming prevalence of sexual violence against women to focus instead on the supposed overwhelming prevalence of false accusations against men.

    personally, i know quite a few women who have been raped or sexually assaulted and only a small number of them ever reported it. the ones who didn’t stated fear of not being believed or of people thinking they deserved it as reasons for staying silent and i absolutely understand that. (as the comment strings on a number of blogs and message boards prove.)

    so, so, so many women and girls are raped every year and yet the discussion always, always, always comes back to this supposed trend of false accusations. it’s disappointing that even when it comes to violence against women, the women disappear and the discussion turns to the “poor men” who are falsely accused by these bitter, vindictive, lying women.

    xoxo, jared

  7. zuzu
    zuzu April 1, 2006 at 11:18 am | *

    Nina, do you think it’s normal for someone who’s just participated in consensual group sex to have her cell phone lifted?

  8. ginmar
    ginmar April 1, 2006 at 11:24 am |

    “I think it’s just as serious a crime to falsely accuse someone as it is to rape someone.”

    Yeah, because I get those two confused all the time, what with the forced penetration, the humiliation, the public stoning——while any guy who gets ‘falsely’ accused instantly becomes a hero to the MRAs.

    Oh, yeah, and it’s not like spoiled jocks and lying accusers happen in the same proportion. Why are you comparing 96% to 4%? Rape has a 2% conviction rate and even women who tell the truth get called liars. So…huh?

  9. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 1, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    I think AngryBlackBitch kind of has a point, kind of doesn’t.

    Observations about boys and men:

    1) College-aged men are often called boys. Colleges have fraternities, and it’s frat boys, not frat men. Therefore, addressing a young adult man as a boy is not uncommon in English language. Or perhaps they (frat boys) are called that because of the immaturity.

    except…

    2) The historical usage of the term ‘boy’ in racial contest. If I’ve read correctly, black men were routinely called boys by white men, even those younger than them (“you’re not a [real, powerful] man, boy”), thus it is incredibly offensive to call even a young black man ‘boy’. White young adult men have no such history, therefore they can be called boys without the historical connotations.

    Maybe the motive for the disparity is more of an issue of political correctness and historical conscience. Tragically, whatever the motive, the term ‘boy’ does imply a certain lack of accountability unlike ‘man’, and thus the double standard in this case ends up benefitting white perps. So in that aspect, AngryBlackBitch is correct.

    Unfortunately, most people(especially White folks) in American culture don’t see these behaviors as similar. They think that one Black person’s bad behavior is somehow representative of all Black people, not the individual Black person or people involved. They think subconsciously or consciously that Black men are dangerous and White men are the innocent boys next door. So next time you hear a special lable for Black men’s bad behavior. Please think twice.

    My experience (from back home and looking at the American media) is exactly the opposite: Whenever a non-white commits a horrible crime, the media is quick to remind that one must not demonize or generalize, that this is just a bad apple. Beware of racism! Yet when a white does it, all whites should be ashamed, look critically on their own culture and ‘entitlement’ or whatever. What’s more, the ‘tolerant’ leftists — in addition to believing in collective guilt (but only for whites) — commonly believe in hereditary guilt for whites (“the most historically privileged group”).

  10. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 1, 2006 at 1:23 pm |

    If it isn’t clear, I favor the invidual responsibility model all the way (both Black and White). Both double-standards are annoying.

  11. sophonisba
    sophonisba April 1, 2006 at 3:20 pm |

    I’m going to wait for the facts on this one. I’ve seen these things turn out both ways – either the usual spoiled frat boy thing, or the lying accuser thing.

    Yeah – bitch sodomizes herself and rips out her own fingernails to frame some guy, happens all the time.

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  13. kate
    kate April 1, 2006 at 3:54 pm |

    Yeah – bitch sodomizes herself and rips out her own fingernails to frame some guy, happens all the time.

    Damn straight. And don’t forget the free shopping sprees, celebrity status, acting career, free nights out on the town, newfound popularity among peers, college scholarships and a fawning fan following.

  14. Sally
    Sally April 1, 2006 at 4:01 pm |

    Don’t forget the bit where she beat and partially strangled herself. You get extra bonus points in the evil bitch Olympics for the really hard stunts like that.

  15. kate
    kate April 1, 2006 at 4:17 pm |

    I know this doesn’t have anything to do with the Duke case, but on another blog a commenter posted some blurbs about past ‘false accusation’ cases. This one particularly wrankled me:

    the video showed the [woman] threatening the players that she would go to police and invent a rape story if they did not pay her the $600 that they had previously agreed to in exchange for sex.

    Its ok for men to agree to an exchange in order to get what they want and then refuse to follow through after the deed is done. This is a beautiful example of how women in the sex industry have very little autonomy and depend entirely upon the male’s consent to participate on a level playing field. Taking advantage of women in the sex industry in this way is often another part of the continuum of male control over a women’s body.

    I am sad that these women must go through this. I am sadder still that so many women fall for the lie that the sex industry is a harmless way to make some good money.

  16. sophonisba
    sophonisba April 1, 2006 at 4:22 pm |

    hereditary guilt for whites (”the most historically privileged group”).

    Guilt, privilege, and responsibility are in point of fact three different and distinct things. The first clue that this is so might have been the fact that we have three different words for it.

    In fact the “leftists” you speak of commonly mention white “guilt” only to mock it, as people who talk about it are generally raging narcissists, whether they wallow pleasurably in their “guilt” or beat their breasts and rant and rave about how unfair it is that they should feel any “guilt”. All the while, of course, affecting not to notice that no one has asked them to.

  17. sophonisba
    sophonisba April 1, 2006 at 4:30 pm |

    An object lesson in the distinction I mentioned above: I feel something of a mild responsibility to speak up when I see a white person saying something idiotic about white people’s tender feelings and susceptibility to shame. This responsibility is self-imposed, since even if someone conceives an unflattering opinion of white people based on the offensive statement, no harm will come to me personally as a result of that opinion or stereotype. This is a result of privilege. Since nobody expects me to do anything either way, and since neither my speaking up nor my silence will accomplish anything productive, I feel no guilt for any of it.

    I hope this has been helpful.

  18. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 1, 2006 at 4:50 pm |

    Sophonisba:

    /off topic

    I’m not talking about tender feelings. I talk about real-world political consequences of the theories that dogmatically claim that all whites have privilege (which is supposedly non-measurable and invisible, but pervasive) over non-whites, and the proposed measures. That do come from people on the left side of the political spectrum, generally.

    The “white men are historically most privileged group” is the standard leftist excuse against AA for whites/men. I personally don’t support it either, but I feel if you’re going to be a collectivist who wants equal outcomes, better be that all the way, or invent a better excuse.

    /topic

    I’d much rather discuss the media disparity thing raised by ABB:s post, though, rather than this or whether I am narcissist or not.. I won’t be changing any hearts and minds on the privilege thing, and I’ve done it enough on this very site. It usually gets ugly.

  19. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 1, 2006 at 5:20 pm |

    AA: Affirmative Action, not Alcoholics Anonymous. Sorry.

  20. Sharon
    Sharon April 1, 2006 at 6:26 pm |

    Here is an interesting supposition made by a commentor over at David Wright’s blog:

    allison made this comment,
    Let’s look at this one other way. I want to hope that the rape isn’t true. I won’t even discuss the racial part – that’s just disgusting. But back to the alleged rape. Let’s say these two ladies saw an opportunity to get some money. They go to perform where it is apparent the guys (or their family)have access to $. Perhaps there is a third party here who actually inflicts injuries that could easily be medically classified as a rape (could happen – there are some wierd people out there – did you see the Charlotte, NC case where they just arrested 3 guys for castrating willing people!!). Also, the fingernails could have been an intentional plant. The cheap ones from the dollar store will easily pop off vs. those done professionally. It really wouldn’t be that hard to have someone’s DNA if you are in a house with 30 guys and you’re stroking their hair or whatever. The Durham DA is really going to have some explaining and apologizing to do if it is found out this is was a well-planned event on the part of the ladies. And where is the 2nd lady anyway? Haven’t heard much from her. Where was she when the lady was getting raped?

    Downright Machiavellian, esp. keeping a third party on hand to rip your behind up.

  21. le lyons
    le lyons April 1, 2006 at 8:20 pm |

    The whole “only 2% of rapists are convicted” stat really, really pisses me off. How on earth can we allow that statistic to remain?

    I work at a nonprofit that provides legal services to survivors of domestic violence and sexual assault. The domestic violence hotline rings off the hook. The sexual assault hotline rings maybe once a week. Granted the two crimes are often related, but are dealt with in separate courts.

    We leave sexual assault prosecutions to an elected official – the district attorney. No wonder so few cases are prosecuted. What if the DA is racist, sexist or buddies with the rapist? The criminal justice system is far from perfect, and I can only hope that it will work correctly this time.

    Of course, every two minutes another rape occurs in the US alone. Not to mention the multitude of sexual violence on other continents. This problem is huge and extends far beyond this case. This case gives us something to talk about, something to be collectively outraged about, but I sure as hell hope we don’t stop talking once this particular case ends.

    I just wrote a post announcing a “Blog to Raise Awareness About Sexual Violence” day for April 18th. I would love to see the blogosphere continue to talk about sexual violence. Because only through keeping it at the forefront of our minds can we actually expect long-term change to happen.

  22. kate
    kate April 1, 2006 at 9:00 pm |

    he “white men are historically most privileged group” is the standard leftist excuse against AA for whites/men.

    AH! Finally! A twelve-step program for white men to become aware of and deconstruct the racist patriarchy they grew up to support! Bravo! I’ll hand out flyers!

    Then:

    AA: Affirmative Action, not Alcoholics Anonymous. Sorry

    Well, not yet at least.

  23. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 1, 2006 at 9:31 pm |

    AH! Finally! A twelve-step program for white men to become aware of and deconstruct the racist patriarchy they grew up to support! Bravo! I’ll hand out flyers!

    Been there, done that, didn’t work. The program seems a bit too dogmatic to me. Show me the empirical evidence, and we’ll talk.

  24. sophonisba
    sophonisba April 1, 2006 at 10:23 pm |

    I talk about real-world political consequences of the theories that dogmatically claim that all whites have privilege (non-measurable and invisible

    No, It is certainly not invisible. Some people may claim that it is invisible to whites, just as male privilege is supposed to be invisible to men, but however well-intentioned, this is just a way to tell white people it’s natural if they don’t pay attention to the world around them. Yes, it often takes a jolt or a shock or the simple explanation of the concept for white people to start noticing the manifestations of their privilege or talking about it with this particular kind of jargon; no, this does not mean we can’t see it if we bother to look unless we are playing dumb.

    No, it is not non-measurable. Some manifestations of it are more subjective than others, but it is indeed possible to measure how often store detectives follow black customers as opposed to white ones, or how often black women are mocked for the texture of their hair compared with white ones, or how much encouragement black students are given compared with white ones, or how majority-black school districts compare with majority-white ones, or how black regional accents are stereotyped and mocked compared with white ones, or how often employers discard the resumes of applicants with stereotypically “black” names. These are merely some obvious examples of things that can be meaningfully studied, not an attempt at a comprehensive list. There are, in addition, a multitude of things that cannot be measured precisely, only described. This does not mean that they do not exist.

    In short, I am not familiar with this use of the word “dogma” to mean observable, observed, studied, documented reality.

  25. sophonisba
    sophonisba April 1, 2006 at 10:31 pm |

    Show me the empirical evidence, and we’ll talk.

    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3495/is_2_48/ai_97873146

    Note that these were made-up resumes, so the ‘obvious’ excuse, that the ‘black’ applicants were less qualified, will not work.

  26. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 1, 2006 at 10:50 pm |

    Sophonisba:

    Those things can be observed without getting in to the whole “the only reason whites are doing better is the systematic oppression and privilege” -camp. Also, anecdotes can be traded till kingdom come, but the theories on privilege make it harder to see those cases where the traditionally “privileged” groups are discriminated against. Herein lies the dogma. Also, differential outcomes are seen as almost completely social problem. Then various centralized solutions are offered: Governmental regulation on hiring etc.

    Much of these cases (in which you use, almost without fail, a passive tone: “how black regional accents are stereotyped” – by whom?) If you want to change attitudes, fine and admirable. Too often this is done by unconstructive collective self-loathing, seeking power via specific legislation, grandstanding to other “privileged” people (look at my anti-racism bona fides! I’m more tolerant than you are!), using the “unprivileged” as tools in a power struggle, and fetishization of “the other” (all the good values are projected to the object of idolization, which is turned into some kind of noble savage, I suppose) that I don’t want any part with.

  27. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 1, 2006 at 10:54 pm |

    Note that these were made-up resumes, so the ‘obvious’ excuse, that the ‘black’ applicants were less qualified, will not work.

    “A black applicant? Sheesh, some unqualified affirmative action student, I bet. Besides, black workers are harder to fire because of the racial factor and anti-discrimination laws, so I’d better be safe than sorry.”

  28. randomliberal/Robert
    randomliberal/Robert April 2, 2006 at 12:44 am |

    “A black applicant? Sheesh, some unqualified affirmative action student, I bet. Besides, black workers are harder to fire because of the racial factor and anti-discrimination laws, so I’d better be safe than sorry.”

    I think that says pretty much everything we need to know here…

  29. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 2, 2006 at 2:09 am |

    Glad to be of assistance. Now you (plural) know that I am capable of imitating (hence the quotation marks) the thought processes of a discriminating employer, which undoubtedly is a very important thing to know.

  30. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 2, 2006 at 2:12 am |

    Or perhaps you have a better theory on why the employers choose employees with white-sounding names than the one I offered?

    That they are racist (as is the majority of peple of all colors) is obvious, but how and why is the question here.

  31. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 2, 2006 at 2:13 am |

    peple…

    people.

  32. sophonisba
    sophonisba April 2, 2006 at 4:38 am |

    anecdotes can be traded till kingdom come

    That’s why I offered you one example of a study of racism, rather than some useless personal anecdotes. You can find many, many others on your own. If, you know, you care to.

    theories on privilege make it harder to see those cases where the traditionally “privileged” groups are discriminated against.

    because? Explanation? Argument? Supporting evidence? Any reason at all for asserting this?

    “Privilege” doesn’t exist without context. We’re all well aware of this. In a brothel, a secretarial pool, a daycare center, women enjoy our own dubious kinds of privilege, as do members of every “unprivileged” group, somewhere, at least once in a while. So what? How is this hard to figure out? How does the language of privilege make this harder to see? I think it makes it a lot easier, because it offers a framework and a vocabulary to hang our observations on.

    unconstructive collective self-loathing

    Like the “guilt” bit, which you seem to have quietly dropped as indefensible, this is boring navel-gazing that no one is asking for and no one is interested in but you. If you are not able to look at racism and white privilege without falling into some freaky pit of self-flagellation, that’s your problem. It’s not mine.

    grandstanding to other “privileged” people

    Yes. I wish you would stop it.

  33. Anne
    Anne April 2, 2006 at 12:15 pm |

    Yet when a white does it, all whites should be ashamed, look critically on their own culture and ‘entitlement’ or whatever.

    I have never gotten this message from the media.

  34. Tuomas
    Tuomas April 2, 2006 at 2:35 pm |

    That’s why I offered you one example of a study of racism, rather than some useless personal anecdotes.

    You actually offered both, and I crossposted with the study part. So drop it.

  35. Shannon W.
    Shannon W. April 2, 2006 at 3:48 pm |

    Here are some links, for some of the people in the audience:

    Try my reading list, try Ally Work’s reading list , Promethus 6′s blog and the radical women of color blog ring for resources on why we are so hard on Tuomas. I am of the position that people who actually experence something are more entitled to talk about what it is than people who have not bothered to even study it.

  36. Jason
    Jason April 2, 2006 at 5:06 pm |

    For a different view on some of the facts, TalkLeft has a couple of good entries about the incident:

    http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014436.html

    http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014448.html

  37. Jason
    Jason April 2, 2006 at 5:36 pm |

    Good” wouldn’t have been my word of choice, but…

    Well, it’s not good if you have already convicted the entire Duke lacrosse team. I know most people on here only have one story they will ever possible believe, but I like considering all the facts before I rush to judgment.

    Jeralyn is very rational and she has the criminal defense experience hold my attention. Certianly she warrants listening to.

    I get so bummed out by these threads. It always seems to spiral downward to accusations of misogyny agianst those that don’t accept the allegations whole cloth.

  38. ginmar
    ginmar April 2, 2006 at 7:41 pm |

    Uh, Jason, those threads consist of little but victim bashing and you’re in favor of them? She starts out with a quote from a three-hundred-year-old witch hunter, for Christ’s sake.

    Let’s see: bash the attackers, who are acting suspicioiusly, and their supporters, who just want to call women liars and talk about women lying, or bash the victim? Hm, tough choice.

    Yeah, gotta like a guy that whines about misogyny in discussing a crime where the standard response is to call the victim a liar, and then bring up cases where other women have lied. I mean, considering all the cases where men lying results in them getting away with rape.

  39. Shannon W.
    Shannon W. April 2, 2006 at 8:13 pm |

    Jason, we follow these stories, and many of us listen to the survivors of rape- some of whom never reported it to the police, because they were afraid. So what seems exciting and new to you seems very old to us. Over and over, we hear that women lie about rape- but our friends, our sisters, our mothers keep on getting raped, and nothing seems to be done about it. We hear cases with video evidence ending in men getting off, and cases where the men have prior convictions getting off, and that sort of ‘women are hysterical liars’ viewpoint no longer rings true for us. There are other spaces.

  40. Chicklet
    Chicklet April 3, 2006 at 12:12 pm |

    It’s not a “culture of rape” that’s the problem at schools like Duke, it’s the culture of entitlement. Many of these lacrosse players were raised by hyperindulgent parents who cheered every pass, save or goal as if it was on par with turning water into wine. Look at the trend of “helicopter parenting” that is driving college administrators nuts with parents demanding their children be treated like hothouse flowers. These players have had every bump in the road smoothed over for them.

    The stonewalling by the team is common among priviledged, coddled brats and deluded parents who think their precious spawn pee rainbows and crap puppies.

    If the Duke president had any kind of a spine, he would have had the whole team assembled an hour after finding out, and offered the players a choice – cooperate with the investigation or get kicked out of school and lose your athletic scholarship.

  41. ginmar
    ginmar April 3, 2006 at 2:12 pm |

    Ah, the good old ‘change it from the specific to the general’ so we can avoid discussing how women are specifically targeted by a rape culture.

    Men are more entitled than women. Period. Men rape women. Add the two, and you get a rape culture.

  42. Sheelzebub
    Sheelzebub April 3, 2006 at 4:47 pm |

    You’re bringing up Jeralyn as an example of rationality in a rape case?

    Oh, puleeze.

    She basically called the woman a liar–said that the physical evidence could be explained away by a scuffle over a refusal to pay. She also posted completely wrong info on her blog–she said that the 911 callers were the dancers. We don’t know if this is true–no one has been able to identify the caller.

    For someone who preaches to the masses about keeping our traps shut in favor of innocent until proven guilty, she throws the standard out the window when it comes to trashing the woman involved.

  43. Lauren
    Lauren April 3, 2006 at 4:49 pm |

    Not to mention that “criminal defense” generally means “doing everything possible to trash victims.” But that’s already been said. Jeralyn isn’t much of a friend to rape survivors — and why would she be? Her payload — and FOX News appearances — depends on it.

  44. Medicine Man
    Medicine Man April 3, 2006 at 5:20 pm |

    I don’t know about the whole “culture of rape” theory, but I do agree that frat and sports clubs all too often provide moral and extralegal cover to young men who engage in criminal behavior. The atmosphere of peer-approval makes even morally repugnant behavior acceptable, on some level, and the relatively closed community of these groups creates a self-reinforcing little bubble of reality. I can almost imagine what it must be like in that lacross team right now; a bunch of scared puppies clustering around the ankles of a few unrepentant alpha males, all but the worst of them slowly becoming aware of how seriously screwed up their situation is. Once that bubble of reality is pierced (and it will be), I imagine we’re going to see more than a few puppies hysterically clamoring to sell out their fair weather team mates; tears, recriminations and terror for all to see. I confess that I don’t find the prospect of this spectacle unpleasant.

    Its a little unfortunate that you all are so hard on Nina though. I would say that given the charges that are being levelled at the lacross team, it seems likely that the young lady is telling the truth; however, Nina is essentially correct that people should wait for all the facts to become known before passing judgement. It just seems that she was unaware of the extent of what is already known (ie. the fingernails, physical injuries, robbery, etc.). It would seem that the case has already progressed well beyond the “he said, she said” phase.

    One of the things that really disturbs me about this kind of crime is the gang mentality involved. Was it just the worst of them that assaulted that woman, or was it one irredemable discharge and his two mild mannered sidekicks? And how many of these young men that are now remaining stoicly silent are upstanding in other regards? How badly does an ordinary person’s moral compass have to be muddied, his sense of self subordinate to his sense of belonging, to tolerate the objectification and brutalization of another human being? I really hope that it is just fear that is making those creeps circle the wagons…

    Anyhow, I hope justice is served in due time. I also hope that the young lady gets back (in time) what was taken from her, whether it was rape or “merely” assault.

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