Its a little unfortunate that you all are so hard on Nina though. I would say that given the charges that are being levelled at the lacross team, it seems likely that the young lady is telling the truth; however, Nina is essentially correct that people should wait for all the facts to become known before passing judgement. It just seems that she was unaware of the extent of what is already known (ie. the fingernails, physical injuries, robbery, etc.). It would seem that the case has already progressed well beyond the “he said, she said” phase.

One of the things that really disturbs me about this kind of crime is the gang mentality involved. Was it just the worst of them that assaulted that woman, or was it one irredemable discharge and his two mild mannered sidekicks? And how many of these young men that are now remaining stoicly silent are upstanding in other regards? How badly does an ordinary person’s moral compass have to be muddied, his sense of self subordinate to his sense of belonging, to tolerate the objectification and brutalization of another human being? I really hope that it is just fear that is making those creeps circle the wagons…

Anyhow, I hope justice is served in due time. I also hope that the young lady gets back (in time) what was taken from her, whether it was rape or “merely” assault.

Oh, puleeze.

She basically called the woman a liar–said that the physical evidence could be explained away by a scuffle over a refusal to pay. She also posted completely wrong info on her blog–she said that the 911 callers were the dancers. We don’t know if this is true–no one has been able to identify the caller.

For someone who preaches to the masses about keeping our traps shut in favor of innocent until proven guilty, she throws the standard out the window when it comes to trashing the woman involved.

Men are more entitled than women. Period. Men rape women. Add the two, and you get a rape culture.

The stonewalling by the team is common among priviledged, coddled brats and deluded parents who think their precious spawn pee rainbows and crap puppies.

If the Duke president had any kind of a spine, he would have had the whole team assembled an hour after finding out, and offered the players a choice – cooperate with the investigation or get kicked out of school and lose your athletic scholarship.

Let’s see: bash the attackers, who are acting suspicioiusly, and their supporters, who just want to call women liars and talk about women lying, or bash the victim? Hm, tough choice.

Yeah, gotta like a guy that whines about misogyny in discussing a crime where the standard response is to call the victim a liar, and then bring up cases where other women have lied. I mean, considering all the cases where men lying results in them getting away with rape.

Good” wouldn’t have been my word of choice, but…

Well, it’s not good if you have already convicted the entire Duke lacrosse team. I know most people on here only have one story they will ever possible believe, but I like considering all the facts before I rush to judgment.

Jeralyn is very rational and she has the criminal defense experience hold my attention. Certianly she warrants listening to.

I get so bummed out by these threads. It always seems to spiral downward to accusations of misogyny agianst those that don’t accept the allegations whole cloth.

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