Don’t Read This.

Seriously. Don’t. I shouldn’t have.

There is no reason to expose yourself to this kind of shit. I’m only writing about it because it has burned such a hole in my brain that I can’t ignore it, and because I think it’s worth pointing out how completely fucking vile these racist misogynist conservative fuckwits are.

(Now, I’m not saying that all conservatives are racist misogynist fuckwits. I’m saying that the racist misogynist conservative fuckwits are racist misogynist conservative fuckwits. Or that racist misogynist conservatives are fuckwits. Whatever. Anyway).

A cautionary note: Includes sexual assault triggers. Big time.

It’s racism at Duke, all right. Racism against white students. Members of the Duke University Lacrosse team may have abused a black party girl, but, without any proof or trial, the Duke Lacrosse team was punished by the university, suspended from further games. So terrified was the administration of being charged with “racism.” The black female wins again. She is truly an ace on the field and in court.

It’s too easy, since the arguments are so classic, and so easy to make. Just take reality and turn it on its head! See, it’s fun:

1. White people are perpetual victims
2. Black people are the real racists
3. Black females always win (and real winners are raped and abused!)
4. Rape “victims” are sluts
5. Sluts can’t be raped

Now, given that Duke University is a private entity, and athletes at almost all universities agree to codes of conduct, it’s not exactly “racism” when they’re punished for breaking those codes. And those codes don’t just say, “Don’t rape.” They include expectations of leadership and decent behavior. And while this guy may think that “abusing a black party girl” ain’t no big thing, most reasonable people think that it is. And even if there were no rape accusations, I suspect that having out-of-control parties, hiring strippers and hurling racial epithets are probably in violation of the athletics code of conduct.

Naturally, the name of the black girl has not been released – appropriate if she is a rape victim, inappropriate if she is engaging in scurrilous race-baiting. The reports say the woman is a divorced, 27-year-old “mother” of two, attending North Carolina Central University. She is not a person of note, and is said to do exotic dancing as a side job to pick up extra cash.

Well, given that you just said that we don’t know if she’s a rape victim, then we probably also don’t know if she is “engaging in scurrilous race-baiting.” And we probably shouldn’t release her name.

Also, what’s with the “mother” in scare-quotes? These are the same people who refer to pregnant, childless women seeking abortions as mothers, despite the fact that they haven’t done any actual mothering. But this woman, apparently, doesn’t qualify because she’s black and poor and takes her clothes off to make ends meet.

The entire Duke Lacrosse team and the university may have been severely maligned on all sides. The alleged incident occurred March 13, but as of Sunday, April 2, no charges have been filed against anyone. One report says 46 of the 47 members of the team were required to submit DNA for testing. (The black member of the team, of course, was exempted, since the accuser says she was attacked by white males.)

Well… yeah, of course he was exempted. The police don’t really like to waste time investigating people who couldn’t have committed the crime. If I see my attacker, and that attacker is clearly of a particular race, don’t we want to focus on suspects of that race?

And if Duke University has suffered because of this incident, then let’s blame the people who caused the incident.

The story, as reported in the papers, indicates either profound social retardation on the part of the black “dancer,” or else irrationality on the part of racist-oriented reporters.

There were two women involved, one apparently white (whose name also remains unrevealed), and the other black. Police got a call from the black woman who claimed she had been yelled at by some guy in the rented quasi-frat house of the Lacrosse team. She and her companion nevertheless went back to the house to “dance,” expecting, they say, four or five college boys to be there. Idiotic mistake No. 1.

Ah yes. She’s stupid, and therefore it was her fault. (Also, what’s with the “dance” in scare-quotes too?).

Then, she says, the two women were suddenly surrounded by 40-some boys, all coughing up racial epithets—presumably at the black woman. (Remember, she’s a 27-year-old-mother. Some of the team members are under twenty-one, else how could any of them have been charged with under-aged drinking?) The women then say they were so upset and frightened that they left the house.

Then, “helplessly,” the two women went back! Idiotic mistake No. 2.

Ok. So she’s stupid and deserves to be raped for it. No matter that some of these men were pretty stupid, and some (I would go as far as to say all, since none of them are willing to tell on their friends) were actively cruel and torturous to another human being.

Some guy on the porch “coaxed” them back, after which time they claim the black woman was abused. So far, there are no witnesses. (So, what happened to the other woman?)

Apparently the second woman wasn’t raped. Perhaps that’s because these men targeted the woman who they perceived as less powerful because of her race.

Two weeks later, the team was suspended from games. The team captains say that the DNA testing will prove that all the members are innocent. This, of course, if true, will mean that it was either an easy set up for the women, or else the fervor of youthful hormones blinded everyone. In the heat of passion, well-ignited before the girls even showed up, there may have been some rough-housing. That should have been a serious tip-off. Of course, a 27-year-old mother of two certainly must have more sense than a drunken 19-year-old, no? However, our nameless victim showed less maturity than a six-year-old.

Is “rough-housing” code for “rape” here? Seriously? As for youthful hormones, well, I’ve got more than a few of those, but I’ve never been so fervently blinded by them that I physically attached someone and engaged in a gang rape.

And a 27-year-old mother should have more sense to what, not get raped?

All the racial issues in this story are moot. This is a tale of stupidity on the part of two women, particularly the black woman.

Act dumb, and you deserve your rape. By the way, I get to define what “dumb” is. And if you weren’t stripping to make money, I’d berate you for being a welfare queen and tell you to get a job and go to school. Of course, I wouldn’t help you pay for your schooling — that’s what your minimum-wage job is for. Can’t be that hard to work 40 hours a week and go to school full time. Then if you did that, I’d tell you that you’re neglecting your kids and you should really be spending more time at home with them.

So, that black woman said, “No,” eh? First, she’s in a profession where she’s expected to do tricks for clients. Second, she’s walking into a house full of young, drunken athletes, who happen to be white. Third, she called the police and complained once; then she went back, but then left. And then she went back again! That’s a peculiar way of saying “No,” it seems to me. These racist black people just want a role model victim, with mistreatment wreaked upon the weakest of the weak: the black woman. All she has to do is cry, “rape by white male!” and she rules the world.

I don’t even know where to start. First, stripping doesn’t require you to do sexual favors for clients. No. Second, walking into a house full of young drunken athletes is consenting to sex? I think a lot of us would be in a spot of trouble if that were the case.

And saying “No” is not a peculiar way to say “no.”

As for black women crying rape and then ruling the world… what? I have to wonder where these kinds of thoughts come from. I suppose the human brain is a powerful organ, but good god that’s quite a stretch. It hurts my head even trying to figure out where he might have gotten that idea.

But she had to have the money, right? She just has to feed those children, pay that tuition, rent, car payment, and books. She’s not on welfare, scholarship, or assistance of any kind? Well, whatever she does receive may not cover her expenses. That’s quite possible.

But, exotic dancing—and then to cry “abuse”? This may be pushing victimhood beyond reason.

Well, yeah, she did have to feed those children, pay that tuition, rent, car payment and books. That’s hardly an example of unfettered greed. Welfare “may not” cover tuition and expenses? How about, welfare benefits barely put food on the table, and thanks to “reform” they cut you off the roles after a few years. So yeah, it’s pretty possible that she did need the money. Christ.

Let’s not forget, though, that strippers can’t be raped, and it’s obscene for exotic dancers to “cry abuse.”

I wonder who else can’t be raped? Prostitutes for sure, and definitely gay men and lesbians, and probably most women of color because we all know that they lie and play the race card in order to further oppress white people. But what about non-virgins? Sorority girls? White women? Anyone who had a sip of alcohol? Vagina-owners in general? I’m guessing that, should they say they were raped, they too would be pushing victimhood beyond reason.

Now I need to go to bed before I scratch out my own eyes.

I found this via some other blog, but now I can’t remember where and I clicked out of it. Sincerest apologies to whoever I just did not credit.

UPDATE: And in case you’re thinking that the author of this article is a random nutjob, David A. Yeagley is an adjunct professor at the University of Oklahoma College of Liberal Studies and a guest speaker for the Young America’s foundation — a pretty mainstream conservative youth organization. This is who “moderate” conservative activists are in bed with. Just something to consider.


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Jill began blogging for Feministe in 2005. She has since written as a weekly columnist for the Guardian newspaper and in April 2014 she was appointed as senior political writer for Cosmopolitan magazine.
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60 Responses to Don’t Read This.

  1. She is not a person of note

    Sounds like every rapist’s mantra. Repeated before, during, after.

  2. a nut says:

    Agh. What you said because I don’t think I could get 2 coherent thoughts to run together after reading all that bullshit. Just, really….wtf? And see, here’s more proof that all colleges/uni’s are liberal is indeed a myth. jeebus.

  3. kate says:

    The reports say the woman is a divorced, 27-year-old “mother” of two, attending North Carolina Central University. She is not a person of note, and is said to do exotic dancing as a side job to pick up extra cash.

    I can’t read through it all, I tried but I just can’t. This type of talk makes me spend my meditative time thinking of beating men like this to death while they cry and scream for mercy and piss and shit their pants in fear.

    What always disturbs me when i read such garbage is how many young men’s and women’s minds are further pushed into that stinking shit infested hole of ignorance so the resident maggots can eat holes in their tender brains, the space of which will be displaced by that shit for the rest of their lives.

  4. Lauren says:

    See, a “mother” is someone who just has kids (and is probably responsible for things outside of home and hearth, which is, like, totally unseemly); a Real Mother stays at home and bakes cookies in her apron during the commercials of The 700 Club.

  5. norbizness says:

    When dealing with Front Page Magazine, you may be running into a situation of the minimal positive utility of debunking clearly insane talking points with the slightly less minimal negative marginal utility of elevating clearly insane talking points to the level where it’s seen as worth responding to.

    Don’t ask me, I forgot all the economics shit a decade ago.

  6. Lauren says:

    Also, what’s really important here is the team. How could that bitch get in the way of the sports season?

  7. Laurie says:

    Oh, my….. What the….? Bloody…! AAAAgh! *splork!*

    Sorry — brain just exploded. *sigh* What Kate said about beating jackasses like this until bowel/bladder control is lost. But that just wouldn’t help, really, would it?

    DAY-mn, but that … person… needs help with some definitions! And a reality check: a really, really BIG reality check. ‘Cause even student aid and/or loans is not enough to cover going to school, rent/utilities, food and other necessities for said student AND feed/clothe/provide any medical care/etc. for two kids. I don’t even HAVE kids and I can tell you that.

    *sigh*

  8. Lauren says:

    ‘Cause even student aid and/or loans is not enough to cover going to school, rent/utilities, food and other necessities for said student AND feed/clothe/provide any medical care/etc. for two kids.

    I did it. Barely. For me and one dependent. With a lot of parental help.

    But now I’m $80,000 in debt after five years of college on in-state tuition where classes are only about $500 a pop. I’ll be paying these back until I’m how many years old?

    Do the math. I should have been a stripper.

  9. Sophist says:

    The black female wins again.

    What the fuck? This is like someone sitting in the courtroom at Nurenburg saying “Ha, score yet another win for the Jews.”

    She is not a person of note…

    No but she is still a person, who has the same inalienable rights as you, me, and every other person in this country.

    And they say that liberals are the ones fueling class warfare.

    One report says 46 of the 47 members of the team were required to submit DNA for testing. (The black member of the team, of course, was exempted, since the accuser says she was attacked by white males.)

    Uh-huh. And I suppose if she had said she was raped by a black player you’d be outraged that the police weren’t testing all the white players too, right?

    The team captains say that the DNA testing will prove that all the members are innocent. This, of course, if true, will mean that it was either an easy set up for the women…

    Instance #123,432,621,546 of the “Accusing Someone of Rape is Easy and Free of All Consequence” argument. Ugh.

    …or else the fervor of youthful hormones blinded everyone.

    You’re forgetting option number three—that they’re a bunch of damned liars, in addition to being a bunch of damned rapists.

  10. cooper says:

    That nasty stuff can be found all over the web, I was reading some spor site, can’t remember which one, and the stuff was plain nasty. I think I had no idea how some people really think until this and it makes me want to vomit.

  11. Mark says:

    a Real Mother stays at home and bakes cookies in her apron during the commercials of The 700 Club.

    How does one bake cookies in an apron, anyway?

    Ducks and Runs for cover!

  12. Adonis aka Lowly Knave says:

    Mebbe she was just using her unconventional beauty to entice men. Remember evryone is innocent until proven guilty. Let’s see how this plays out.

  13. karpad says:

    ha ha ha! see, it’s funny, because it’s insulting and demeaning to someone who has no real means to personally retaliate! like shoving the school janitor, knowing he can’t shove you back!

    Well, at least we’ve established what a freindless loser you are in the real world. people like you are rude online because you’re so damn phobic of social interaction in the real world.

    You could post wedding pictures, and I’d still not believe you’ve ever kissed a girl. also, you’re ugly as sin and nobody likes you. Now please, emo kid, go fucking kill yourself.

  14. nerdlet says:

    “All she has to do is cry, “rape by white male!” and she rules the world.”

    Rules the world? Even aside from the hyperbole, what could she possibly have to gain from lying? The support of campus feminist groups and internet people, even though they don’t know her name and even though she doesn’t get any power or money from this? I am absolutely serious: what does he possibly think she could gain?

    “But she had to have the money, right? She just has to feed those children, pay that tuition, rent, car payment, and books. She’s not on welfare, scholarship, or assistance of any kind?”

    So this writer is not the kind of person who complains about black single mothers on welfare, but rather supports and celebrates them? And also believes that welfare is enough to support kids, pay for school, and, y’know, buy a new Cadillac on the side?

  15. Ragnell says:

    So this writer is not the kind of person who complains about black single mothers on welfare, but rather supports and celebrates them? And also believes that welfare is enough to support kids, pay for school, and, y’know, buy a new Cadillac on the side?

    What sucks it that when you said that, I just had to check and see so I clicked on the article, then clicked on the author for the list of articles.

    I never could find out, though, I hyperventilated from the first few ones I checked.

    There has got to be a better planet than this. Beam me to Zamaron, please.

  16. Dustin says:

    Black women got it sooooo good!

    One correction: technically Yeagley *is* a random nutjob. He’s about the randomest of nutjobs (and about the nutjobbiest at that). I’m almost sure he’s required to carry a card that identifies him as “random nutjob” (perhaps in his wallet next to the one that identifies him as “Offishul Comanche Indain” in brick red crayon.

    But I wonder whaere the link is — I’d like to use the original article in my Women’s Studies class, and I don’t see a link anywhere.

  17. Dustin says:

    never mind — i found it!

  18. Lauren says:

    How does one bake cookies in an apron, anyway?

    It requires lots of tinfoil.

  19. aaargh! says:

    lots of tinfoil, and a complex system of tubes channelling your white-hot rage into the pocket.

  20. Mark says:

    It requires lots of tinfoil.

    But I need that for my hat!!!

    :(

  21. Jill says:

    Adonis, comments like that one get deleted. Consider this fair warning that if you post something like that again, you’re banned.

  22. tomaig says:

    So for suggesting that “everyone is innocent until proven guilty” and that maybe we should, “…see how this plays out.”, you threaten to ban him?

    Obviously, you have already tried and convicted these men and yet not a single charge has been filed against them, as far as I know.

  23. Mark says:

    I want some of what tomaig is smoking…

  24. Jill says:

    So for suggesting that “everyone is innocent until proven guilty” and that maybe we should, “…see how this plays out.”, you threaten to ban him?

    No. Notice how that comment is still there — that would indicate that it didn’t get deleted and I was probably talking about a different comment that did get deleted.

  25. Kelley says:

    OMG! Words have officially failed me.

  26. Blitzgal says:

    Having not seen what Adonis posted, I can’t comment on deleting his message…however I’ve been keeping tabs on what’s being said about this case in various blogs and have been shocked to see truly despicable sentiments being aired not only from conservatives but also from liberal blogs as well. TalkLeft posted a long entry on March 31st that said due to the “timeline” of that night and the 911 calls made, it was likely that the strippers were lying and that no rape took place. The comments that followed that post were pretty horrendous. One thing I’m noticing is that the same people who are saying, “Innocent until proven guilty” then turn around and make egregiously cruel comments about these women, as if they are out to make money from some rich white college students, as if they are somehow less than human. The truth of the matter is that we don’t know what happened that night. So, trying to paint the women as lying sluts is just as horrible as convicting the alleged rapists in the media. Don’t people get that?

    In other news, The Smoking Gun has published an email that was apparently sent from a member of the lacrosse team around the time of the alleged rape. This email is gruesome. The writer mentions that he not only wants to kill these women, but skin them and come in his spandex uniform.

    The lacrosse coach has also resigned as of yesterday. I don’t know what happened that night. But there are a lot of sick details coming out.

  27. belledame222 says:

    You did warn me. fuck. I guess to a certain extent it is good to remind oneself that sewage like that is still commonly believed enough to pass itself off as journalism.

    I guess I must be full of patriarchal lust-murder or something, because all I really want to do is rip the fuckwads’ spines out through their assholes (tm Hothead).

    hey, they ASKED for it.

  28. belledame222 says:

    What’s worth noting here (if anything) is the tacit admission that they may not be able to fend off the reality that yes, DNA and other physical tests are gonna show signs of rape. That they probably won’t in fact be able to get away with “nothing at all happened, she’s making it all up.”

    So now spin #2 begins, pre-emptively, as it were:

    >This, of course, if true, will mean that it was either an easy set up for the women, or else the fervor of youthful hormones blinded everyone. In the heat of passion, well-ignited before the girls even showed up, there may have been some rough-housing. That should have been a serious tip-off.

  29. belledame222 says:

    oops, that got cutoff, but well nevermind.

  30. raging red says:

    I’m having a hard time wrapping my brain around this guy. For a non-white person, he sure seems overly concerned about the pernicious racism experienced by white people. (He’s an American Indian.) Of course, he also outs himself as a racist with this from the comments to that article. In response to this comment:

    Date: 4/4/2006 11:12:06 AM
    Name: Scorched Earth CF
    Subject: What are the odds that an entire Black football
    Comment: team (minus the one White guy) would submit DNA samples and have the rest of their season canceled because of an alleged assault committed by a few? NONE, ZERO, ZIPPO, ZILCH, NADA.

    Also, theoretically these guys were not wearing bags over their heads. Why can’t she easily pick them out of a line-up? She knew that she was raped and that they were White, but that’s it? Do all White people look the same to her?

    He says this:

    Date: 4/4/2006 12:02:41 PM
    Name: BadEagle
    Subject: RE: RE: What are the odds that an entire Black football
    Comment: Beautiful post by ScorchedEarth.
    OJ got off with a double homicide.
    Koby Briant got off with an obvious rape.

    So the white Duke boys are clearly the victims here, but it was entirely obvious to him that Kobe Bryant was guilty. These white boys should get the benefit of the doubt, should be considered innocent before proven guilty, but Kobe Bryant “got off with an obvious rape.” Uh-huh. Who’s the racist now?

  31. Txfeminist says:

    Actually, she did positively photo ID three Duke lacrosse players. It was almost an aside in one of the stories at news&observor.

  32. Allison says:

    What the FUCK is wrong with this person?
    Ugh.
    *crawls under the desk*

  33. anonymous says:

    The black female wins again.

    *scatches head*

  34. Joe says:

    The “She is not a person of note” line is the most infuriating and saddening thing I’ve read in ages. People are goddamn terrible.

  35. raging red says:

    Oh, and of course the whole article is dripping with the opinion that “she deserved it” or “she asked for it,” but he doesn’t come right out and say it. But wait! He does come right out and say it in the comments.

    Date: 4/4/2006 11:56:22 AM
    Name: BadEagle
    Subject: RE: Bill O’reilly interviews District Attornery
    Comment: This is classic: guilty until proven innocent. This is what is immoral about the case, and why I wrote this article.
    Because some big shot attorney says, “I have no doubt,” means nothing. It is not a FACT.
    The woman went there to “turn’em on.” That’s what she’s getting paid for. That she would three times RETURN, when she had every reason to fear, shows excessively poor judgement on her part. She was literally asking for it, for whatever happened anyway.
    If she was raped, that’s terribly, horribly wrong.
    Indeed. But, why treat the students as guilty BEFORE there is ANY proof? That is the racist element, against the white students, against the university, and against the law.

    So, if she was raped, that’s horribly wrong, but she was asking for it. Okay, I’m done diving into that cesspool. This guy’s racism, misogyny, and stupidity are intricately intertwined into a complex double helix that is the basis of all conservative fuckwit life.

  36. “This guy’s racism, misogyny, and stupidity are intricately intertwined into a complex double helix that is the basis of all conservative fuckwit life.”
    While I can certainly agree that the man is a misogynisy and a racist (and also a terrible writer), I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss all conservatives as sharing his beliefs. I’m very strongly conservative, as are many of my friends, but I don’t know anyone who would condone what happened, or what this man said about it. There are a lot of good people on both sides of the political fence who realize that rape is still a huge problem in our society, and are trying to change it. I’ll give just one example: my older brother is a senior at Virginia Military Institute. He is about as politically conservative as they come. But he decided to take a job as the Title IX/sexual harassment investigator, because he knew that misogyny existed in the corps of cadets, and wanted to help stop it.

  37. Nymphalidae says:

    This article is really quite an accomplishment, if you think about it. The sheer number of people he’s managed to insult in the course of a few paragraphs is simply astounding. It must have taken some serious effort on his part to become such a thouroughly disgusting human being.

  38. A Pang says:

    The last line of the article:

    But, exotic dancing—and then to cry “abuse”? This may be pushing victimhood beyond reason.

    The contempt for women that sentence displays is just remarkable.

    Here’s something to cleanse your brains: from the latest Scientific American, an article about sex workers unionizing in India as part of an HIV intervention project. On their own, sex workers couldn’t practise safe sex because their clients could just go elsewhere. But to create a labour collective, they first needed self-respect and legitimacy.

    Jana persuaded [the prostitutes] to form a growing collective that now includes 60,000 members pledged to condom use. It offers bank loans, schooling for children, literacy training for adults, reproductive health care and cheap condoms–and has virtually eliminated trafficking of women in the locale. Best of all, the project has kept the HIV prevalence rate among prostitutes in Sonagachi down to 5 percent, whereas in the brothels of Mumbai (Bombay) it is around 60.

    Jana in turn explained to the women that he saw them simply as workers earning a living: “I sell services, so do you.” To the prostitutes, who despised themselves no less than everyone else did, the idea was mind-boggling. “Many others came to ask if I had indeed said this. It had a ripple effect,” Jana remembers. Gaining a measure of self-respect became the first step in a long process of empowerment.

  39. Dustin says:

    For a non-white person, he sure seems overly concerned about the pernicious racism experienced by white people. (He’s an American Indian.)

    Raging Red,

    As far as I can tell, Yeagley is the only one who thinks he’s an American Indian. He may be 1/64 Comanche; but he isn’t considered to be involved in the Comanche community by any Comanche.

  40. unc student says:

    Jill, I think its important to let everyone here know that in addition to being a fuckwad, Yeagley got some facts seriously wrong. The dancer did not call 911ever. There was a call earlier that night from a completely DIFFERENT woman who had just been walking by the house that the party took place in with her girlfriend. Men in the house yelled racial slurs at her, namely the n-word. So this call is actually just annother strike against the Lacrosse players.
    The victim went back inside the house only once, not two or three times as Yeagley would like to believe. She never left to call 911. An article that says al of this can be found here:
    To the right of the text there is audio that you can play of the 911 calls from the woman that called about the men yelling “n*gg*r” at her. Its terrible to hear, because she’s crying and obviously really upset. There is also the 911 call from the store that the dancer ended up at after the assault. The cashier had to call because the dancer was hysterical to the point of incoherence- the cashier thought she was drunk at first.

  41. Tanooki Joe says:

    She is not a person of note…

    This was just the absolute worst. I mean, the slut-baiting is nauseating but sadly predictable, but just out and out saying she’s not really a person… well, that is just fucking wonderful.

  42. raging red says:

    Quartermaster, I didn’t say it was the basis of all conservative life, I said “all conservative fuckwit life.” (I was playing off of the caveat Jill made in the original post.) If I’ve offended any fuckwits, I’m terribly sorry.

    Dustin, thanks for pointing that out. I only spent a few seconds on his web site, which features his claimed American Indian status prominently. Why is such a rabid racist so eager to claim that status? Wouldn’t he rather count himself among the pure-as-the-driven-snow oppressed Caucasians?

  43. Erin M says:

    I’m just going to point at the Smoking Gun article. Nevermind if it doesn’t mention rape. Boy who wrote that is seriously ill.

  44. Dustin says:

    American Indians are a good race to be from if you’re American — see Philip Deloria’s _Playing Indian_ for an examination of how “playing Indian” has functioned in American political and cultural life since, well, since there was an American (as opposed to a NATIVE American) political and cultural life.

    The research-free answer in this case, though, is that “whites are great” has a lot more credibility coming from a non-white person than from a white person.

  45. Kristjan Wager says:

    She is not a person of note, and is said to do exotic dancing as a side job to pick up extra cash.

    You know what, I personally consider any 27 year old mother of two who tries to work her way through an education a person of note. Unlike stupid f*cks like the author of that article.

  46. MinnObserver says:

    The jerk claims to be a Prof at a state school in Oklahoma: http://www.frontpagemag.org/Articles/authors.asp?ID=15
    But before we come to grips with the issues of a Horowitz columnist living off the public trough, it’s probably appropriate to point out that he’s nowhere to be found on the OU website or in any faculty (or staff, in case he’s really just a file clerk) directories:
    http://www.ou.edu/cls/

    He’s still a pig.

  47. Lauren says:

    Obviously, you have already tried and convicted these men and yet not a single charge has been filed against them, as far as I know.

    Yeah. On a BLOG.

  48. Allison says:

    David Yeagley apparently teaches classes at University of Oklahoma. You can contact publicaffairs@ou.edu and complain; I don’t think the school would care to be associated with that article.

  49. Erika says:

    If men were the victims of rape. If they ever had to deal with this reality (the fear, the feeling of helplessness) then our society would finally take rape seriously. In addition, there would be no one left to make the argument that the victim deserved it. It’s very easy for someone who will never be raped, who will never have to fear being raped, to make that bullshit claim.

  50. Ragnell says:

    raging red — He’s from Oklahoma. A lot of the mostly-white people born in Oklahoma have some measure of Native American blood and come from a family on at least one tribal registry. But at the same time there’s terrible stereotypes about the race in the area. The most common one I’ve heard is the “Welfare mother” stereotype. But for some reason, there’s still prestige associated with having Native American blood, even if you spend your time looking down on all non-whites. I don’t understand it myself, but it’s common here.

    I live just thirty minutes from where this guy works. *Shudder*

  51. I’m not surprised that this person is talking so much smack. I expect stuff like this. I expect to live a long life, and during said long life, I have to pick my battles carefully. This is not one even worth the gas I pass. It’s ridiculously whiney and all shades of wrong. I’d rather focus on the events and the people that matter in this case and the kinds of decisions they are making during this whole ordeal.

    You know, the people “of note.”

  52. kate says:

    I’m not surprised that this person is talking so much smack. I expect stuff like this. I expect to live a long life, and during said long life, I have to pick my battles carefully. This is not one even worth the gas I pass. It’s ridiculously whiney and all shades of wrong. I’d rather focus on the events and the people that matter in this case and the kinds of decisions they are making during this whole ordeal.

    You know, the people “of note.”

    I hear you Shasty but my head exploded as it tends to do when I read these kinds of things and this blog gives us all the ability to ignite, unify and identify. While strengthening within, boundaries must be clear all around.

  53. Ted says:

    I hate when people point to a situation like this and bleat “innocent until proven guilty!” It is an important foundation of justice that in the courtroom, the accused is innocent until proven guilty, but the “court” of public opinion doesn’t and shouldn’t have any such restrictions. Saddam Hussein’s trial is ongoing so the court and the government should still grant him the presumption of innocence, but that doesn’t stop me from being confident he’s guilty. Slobodan Milosevic died before any decision could be made on his guilt, but that doesn’t mean I have to extend him the presumption of innocence. OJ Simpson was even acquitted of murdering Nicole, but I can still think he probably did it. And in a case like this one, it’s perfectly acceptable for anyone to say that, based on the available evidence, they think the guys are probably guilty.

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  55. Jodie says:

    I work at OU and contacted the Liberal Studies Department. This is what they had to say:

    “Mr. Yeagley taught one (1) course for us in Fall 2001. He was very unsuccessful as an instructor in the course, and offended several of our students with his racially and sexually inappropriate remarks…We did not ask him to teach for us again, and have informed him repeatedly that he should not be claiming to be an adjunct professor in our college.”

    So he is not connected with any university, although he would like for people to think he is.

    Nor is he representative of any of the Native Americans I know (including me).

  56. sly civilian says:

    Jodie…thanks for the detective work on that. he’s not just a tool…he’s a poser and a tool.

  57. wumhenry says:

    in a case like this one, it’s perfectly acceptable for anyone to say that, based on the available evidence, they think the guys are probably guilty.

    The publicly-available incriminating evidence at this point amounts to little more than this: a woman alleged that she was raped at a party in a house in which 48 other people were present, including the accuser’s co-worker. So far, no one else who was present has corroborated the accusation, and the prosecutor has not disclosed the results of DNA tests on tissue scrapings from those who fit the accuser’s description of the alleged culprits. So, why do you think the accusation is probably true? Do you think it’s so unlikely that a rape accusation would ever be made for an ulterior motive that such accusations should always be believed unless disproved beyond a reasonable doubt?

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