What the fuck are you talking about? We don’t want to abort, every abortion we have means one less baby to eat on a stick at our New York City brunch barbecues.

Kristen: Stick to the political spectrum where you only mildly suck, and try avoiding the psychiatrist’s couch, for which you are clearly unqualified. Just a tip. ;) (Ad hominem, btw), and no cognitive response to the points i made. *kiss kiss*

IF am I am angry about something, It’s mainly about how the feminist movement has been overtaken by a group of petulent children with little sense of personal responsibility who just want to fuck, when they want to fuck, and god damn it all if some inconvenient life that might hamper our club hopping happens. We’ll just flush it down a sink.

That’s what I see in your generation, and it does indeed sadden and anger me.

The lack of ability to debate abortion without mischaracterizing those who, for their own deeply decided internal views against it, as those who hate sex, is just pathetic, too.

Because trust me. I’m as anti-abortion as almost anyone. And, i love sex. I just don’t do it without the awareness of the risks involved.

you say you don’t regret your choice. and yet you are deeply, deeply angry about something. get some professional help.

Tell Lauren (or anyone else) to “bite you” again — or make some similarly rude remark — and you’re gone. You’re free to make your points, but if you insist on being unnecessarily vile about it, you’ll have to make them elsewhere.

Jill: Pregnancy doesn’t happen by accident. Whether you refuse to believe abortion is about not taking responsibility or not, it is. It is killing another life because we ourselves didn’t do enough to prevent that life from happening.

Deal.

And if that is the most responsible choice those women can make, thank whatever deity exists that they aren’t parents. They’re selfish children who put their own convenience above all other things.

And THAT, ladies, is why our society is falling into the toilet.

How does this way you’re attempting to bend the metaphor relate to abortion?

When we find ourselves in less-than-ideal situations — i.e., when our stereo gets stolen or when we’re faced with an unintended or dangerous pregnancy — we have a variety of options. We can say, “Oops, made a mistake, and because I made a mistake I’m not going to do anything about it except let nature take its course.” In other words, just accept that the stereo is stolen and not do anything, or carry on with a pregnancy that you don’t actually want to carry on with. Or we can say, “This not-so-great thing happened, and so I’m going to react in the way that best suits my needs.” In other words, terminating a pregnancy or carrying it to term because you want to, not because it’s your “responsiblity” for being a “tard;” or, in the car example, reporting the theft to the police and to your insurance company so that you get compensated.

See? In very few cases do we say, “I made a mistake, clearly I’m an idiot, so I’ll just accept whatever consequences come my way.” Shit happens. We deal. How we deal depends on the person doing the dealing. I refuse to accept that having an abortion is somehow not taking responsibility. For a lot of women, it’s the most responsible choice they feel they can make.

How does this way you’re attempting to bend the metaphor relate to abortion?

How do stolen cars relate to abortion?

Trouble, take a walk, chill out, drink a glass of wine, then come back to this post and try not to comment eight times in a row. Really, it will help your argument.

How does this way you’re attempting to bend the metaphor relate to abortion?

Is abortion equivalent in that instance to reporting the stereo stolen?

Say, for instance, that you leave your car unlocked; and some tard comes along and steals your car stereo. Are you being punished for leaving your car unlocked? Of course not. It’s just a natural and logical possibility

So if you left your car unlocked and the stereo got stolen you wouldn’t report the theft because it was just a natural consequence? If the police arrested the thief and recovered the stereo would you refuse to take it back because that would be refusing to take responsibility for the natural consequences of leaving your car unlocked?

A Christian woman (as traditionally defined) would not be interested in attempting to engender a child with you until you were married,

Well, the comment you’re responding to might or might not have been pure sarcasm, but I do have a serious question about this issue. If it’s of paramount importance to have as many children as possible isn’t abstinence just as sinful as birth control? Barring the one not particularly well documented example 2000 years ago and some unnatural acts with turkey basters, conceptions don’t happen without sex. So not having sex is refusing to be open to as many conceptions as possible (as many as god wants for you?) So is the only moral thing to do to get married as young as possible and stay pregnant as much as possible? What about priests, monks, and nuns? Do they get some sort of special dispensation to ignore the rules?