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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-43402</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there,

Initially, I wanted to send a general email to this blog&#039;s editors, following up on one of Lauren&#039;s old reproductive rights posts (sniff, I remember when it was just Lauren!  Ah, the beauty and sadness of evolution...), titled &lt;em&gt;Taking it Personally&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/11/taking-it-personally/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).    
Alas, I can&#039;t seem to find a means for simple, direct email (understandable given your blog traffic), so I&#039;m posting that follow-up note here.

In any event, Lauren&#039;s post referenced a blog entry by a man honoring his mother&#039;s struggle and grief, after he&#039;d learned of her having been raped, and what she&#039;d had to go through to get an abortion.  Aside from my personal reasons for identifying with his mom&#039;s story (detailed somewhat &lt;a href=&quot;http://vmarinelli.typepad.com/main/2006/02/talking_with_my.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), which I certainly would not have encountered were it not for its link at Feministe, I was glad to be introduced to his writing, and consider him a friendly ally. (I doubt that on my own power, I would have stumbled upon the &lt;em&gt;Financial Times&lt;/em&gt; story about an Ohio company implanting electronic tags in two of its workers on a trial basis, were it not for this guy&#039;s blog entry earlier this month, for example.)

Anyway, I thought I might give you a heads up that the same fellow has a follow-up entry on the whole abortion/ sexual assault quandary.  It doesn&#039;t revisit his mother&#039;s story per se (surely, that was painful enough the first time around), but it&#039;s a good read.  (Winsomely, it begins with the following sentence: &quot;Tony Snow is a piece of shit.&quot;).  If you care to read it, the link is &lt;a href=&quot;http://the_bone.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_the_bone_archive.html#114624500585919354&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there,</p>
<p>Initially, I wanted to send a general email to this blog&#8217;s editors, following up on one of Lauren&#8217;s old reproductive rights posts (sniff, I remember when it was just Lauren!  Ah, the beauty and sadness of evolution&#8230;), titled <em>Taking it Personally</em> (<a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/03/11/taking-it-personally/" rel="nofollow">here</a>).<br />
Alas, I can&#8217;t seem to find a means for simple, direct email (understandable given your blog traffic), so I&#8217;m posting that follow-up note here.</p>
<p>In any event, Lauren&#8217;s post referenced a blog entry by a man honoring his mother&#8217;s struggle and grief, after he&#8217;d learned of her having been raped, and what she&#8217;d had to go through to get an abortion.  Aside from my personal reasons for identifying with his mom&#8217;s story (detailed somewhat <a href="http://vmarinelli.typepad.com/main/2006/02/talking_with_my.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>), which I certainly would not have encountered were it not for its link at Feministe, I was glad to be introduced to his writing, and consider him a friendly ally. (I doubt that on my own power, I would have stumbled upon the <em>Financial Times</em> story about an Ohio company implanting electronic tags in two of its workers on a trial basis, were it not for this guy&#8217;s blog entry earlier this month, for example.)</p>
<p>Anyway, I thought I might give you a heads up that the same fellow has a follow-up entry on the whole abortion/ sexual assault quandary.  It doesn&#8217;t revisit his mother&#8217;s story per se (surely, that was painful enough the first time around), but it&#8217;s a good read.  (Winsomely, it begins with the following sentence: &#8220;Tony Snow is a piece of shit.&#8221;).  If you care to read it, the link is <a href="http://the_bone.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_the_bone_archive.html#114624500585919354" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42742</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a feckin&#039; idiot then, because as a Catholic convert, the crowd he runs with doesn&#039;t consider him Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a feckin&#8217; idiot then, because as a Catholic convert, the crowd he runs with doesn&#8217;t consider him Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: NancyP</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42735</link>
		<dc:creator>NancyP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Constitution Party (DTs preference) is the one which advocates Christian Reconstructionist/ Dominionist thought. Specifically, abolish the current US Constitution and replace it with strictly enforced Mosaic law. Death to ho-mo-sex-uals and to disobedient children and adulterous women and non-Christians. No word on shrimp eaters - I don&#039;t know how serious the CP folks are about all 613 laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution Party (DTs preference) is the one which advocates Christian Reconstructionist/ Dominionist thought. Specifically, abolish the current US Constitution and replace it with strictly enforced Mosaic law. Death to ho-mo-sex-uals and to disobedient children and adulterous women and non-Christians. No word on shrimp eaters &#8211; I don&#8217;t know how serious the CP folks are about all 613 laws.</p>
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		<title>By: emily1</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42708</link>
		<dc:creator>emily1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;so he’s afraid of the loony fringe that dislikes catholics, yet would vote to legally ban all contraception. i guess it’s ok to force religious beliefs down peoples throats, as long as it’s DT’s religion? aaauuggghh! it’s just maddening!&lt;/i&gt;

that&#039;s what he was here for:  to troll.  his fake polite demeanor is an oft-used troll technique.  he was inflammatory, deliberately obtuse, and unwilling to defend the positions for which he went out of his way to declare his support.  i imagine part of it was an attempt to drive traffic to his blog that no one reads, and the rest was about being annoying while pretending to be here for &#039;dialogue&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>so he’s afraid of the loony fringe that dislikes catholics, yet would vote to legally ban all contraception. i guess it’s ok to force religious beliefs down peoples throats, as long as it’s DT’s religion? aaauuggghh! it’s just maddening!</i></p>
<p>that&#8217;s what he was here for:  to troll.  his fake polite demeanor is an oft-used troll technique.  he was inflammatory, deliberately obtuse, and unwilling to defend the positions for which he went out of his way to declare his support.  i imagine part of it was an attempt to drive traffic to his blog that no one reads, and the rest was about being annoying while pretending to be here for &#8216;dialogue&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen from MA</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42672</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen from MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know that he&#039;s been banned - i just finished reading the comments on the other thread.  but i just need to vent a little.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;that loony fringe scares me, too (ever hear of the Penal Laws, when the fringe of Protestantism made being Catholic a capital crime?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

so he&#039;s afraid of the loony fringe that dislikes catholics, yet would vote to legally ban all contraception.  i guess it&#039;s ok to force religious beliefs down peoples throats, as long as it&#039;s DT&#039;s religion?  aaauuggghh!  it&#039;s just maddening!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know that he&#8217;s been banned &#8211; i just finished reading the comments on the other thread.  but i just need to vent a little.  </p>
<blockquote><p>that loony fringe scares me, too (ever hear of the Penal Laws, when the fringe of Protestantism made being Catholic a capital crime?)</p></blockquote>
<p>so he&#8217;s afraid of the loony fringe that dislikes catholics, yet would vote to legally ban all contraception.  i guess it&#8217;s ok to force religious beliefs down peoples throats, as long as it&#8217;s DT&#8217;s religion?  aaauuggghh!  it&#8217;s just maddening!</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42597</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last straw occurred on another thread.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last straw occurred on another thread.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffliveshere</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42593</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffliveshere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank Jill for the post. You manage to sum things up so clearly and concisely--on a routine basis-- that it&#039;s pretty amazing  In that sense at least, law school seems to be the place for you!  You&#039;ve had to make these points before (over and over again!) and yet you still manage to connect things even better in this newest post.

Having said that, I think it&#039;s unfortunate (at least) that Deep Thought doesn&#039;t &#039;get&#039; that starting things out with &quot;Jill, please.&quot; and keeping that tone throughout isn&#039;t going to help any discussion, won&#039;t change any minds, and won&#039;t even get whatever point he was trying to make across.  Was a banning necessary?  I&#039;m guessing this has been some time coming, because it seemed to me that he was relatively quickly smacked down in this thread, at least.  Or is having to smack him down just more than the posters and commenters ought to bear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank Jill for the post. You manage to sum things up so clearly and concisely&#8211;on a routine basis&#8211; that it&#8217;s pretty amazing  In that sense at least, law school seems to be the place for you!  You&#8217;ve had to make these points before (over and over again!) and yet you still manage to connect things even better in this newest post.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think it&#8217;s unfortunate (at least) that Deep Thought doesn&#8217;t &#8216;get&#8217; that starting things out with &#8220;Jill, please.&#8221; and keeping that tone throughout isn&#8217;t going to help any discussion, won&#8217;t change any minds, and won&#8217;t even get whatever point he was trying to make across.  Was a banning necessary?  I&#8217;m guessing this has been some time coming, because it seemed to me that he was relatively quickly smacked down in this thread, at least.  Or is having to smack him down just more than the posters and commenters ought to bear?</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42566</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, please.

You know you can&#039;t be having sex because there&#039;s no penis involved.

Silly girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please.</p>
<p>You know you can&#8217;t be having sex because there&#8217;s no penis involved.</p>
<p>Silly girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Q Grrl</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42565</link>
		<dc:creator>Q Grrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I was going to point out to him that my lesbianism is the most &quot;natural&quot; form of birth control I&#039;ve *ever* encountered.  

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I was going to point out to him that my lesbianism is the most &#8220;natural&#8221; form of birth control I&#8217;ve *ever* encountered.  </p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen from MA</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/04/24/pro-choice-pro-family/#comment-42559</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen from MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hooray!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hooray!</p>
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