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	<title>Comments on: Must-Read Article on Crisis Pregnancy Centers</title>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44249</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I was interested in why you all were not particularly interested in the questions that have been raised about this story. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because I like to toy with Orthodoxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was interested in why you all were not particularly interested in the questions that have been raised about this story. </p></blockquote>
<p>Because I like to toy with Orthodoxy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mechthild</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44247</link>
		<dc:creator>Mechthild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 17:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Indiana for a year and in Iowa for 13 or 14. Yes, I realize that the midwest is not a monolith. I am surprised when outsiders do. I have run into more mindless bigotry about the midwest, particularly in New England than about the south, even.

None of that is really to the point though. I was interested in why you all were not particularly interested in the questions that have been raised about this story. Your response has given me my answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Indiana for a year and in Iowa for 13 or 14. Yes, I realize that the midwest is not a monolith. I am surprised when outsiders do. I have run into more mindless bigotry about the midwest, particularly in New England than about the south, even.</p>
<p>None of that is really to the point though. I was interested in why you all were not particularly interested in the questions that have been raised about this story. Your response has given me my answer.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44245</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 16:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There&quot; where?  The midwest, or Indiana?  One year or 13?

You do realize that the midwest is not a monolith?

In any event, to get back to Orthodoxy&#039;s little thing:  absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  As has been noted, police in Indiana often do not file reports for community-policing calls, particularly where the call is unfounded.  The call put in was about a minor being forced to have an abortion, and there was no such thing. Moreover, because it was a minor, a report may not have been filed because minors&#039; names are not released.

So, you could call up the Indianapolis PD until the cows come home, and the call would not show up in the published police reports.   You might find references to it in the 911 records or the officers&#039; memo books, but neither of those will be readily-available public records.  

Now, that doesn&#039;t necessarily prove it happened, but it certainly doesn&#039;t provide proof that it *didn&#039;t* happen, either.  Against that, you have Amanda&#039;s conversation with someone from the Indiana PP confirming the details in the release.  I give that credence because a) this is someone who was a witness or has spoken with witnesses to the incident; b) PP would have to be pretty stupid to be making this up and putting their name to it; and c) if PP were, in fact, making this up, you&#039;d think we&#039;d have heard defamation-suit noises from the CPC by now.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There&#8221; where?  The midwest, or Indiana?  One year or 13?</p>
<p>You do realize that the midwest is not a monolith?</p>
<p>In any event, to get back to Orthodoxy&#8217;s little thing:  absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  As has been noted, police in Indiana often do not file reports for community-policing calls, particularly where the call is unfounded.  The call put in was about a minor being forced to have an abortion, and there was no such thing. Moreover, because it was a minor, a report may not have been filed because minors&#8217; names are not released.</p>
<p>So, you could call up the Indianapolis PD until the cows come home, and the call would not show up in the published police reports.   You might find references to it in the 911 records or the officers&#8217; memo books, but neither of those will be readily-available public records.  </p>
<p>Now, that doesn&#8217;t necessarily prove it happened, but it certainly doesn&#8217;t provide proof that it *didn&#8217;t* happen, either.  Against that, you have Amanda&#8217;s conversation with someone from the Indiana PP confirming the details in the release.  I give that credence because a) this is someone who was a witness or has spoken with witnesses to the incident; b) PP would have to be pretty stupid to be making this up and putting their name to it; and c) if PP were, in fact, making this up, you&#8217;d think we&#8217;d have heard defamation-suit noises from the CPC by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mechthild</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44241</link>
		<dc:creator>Mechthild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 16:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I lived there, all told, 13? 14? years. My superior wisdom comes from being open minded, experienced,  and able to appreciate true diversity, in this case, cultural, when I meet up with it. 

Life in the midwest can be mighty pleasant. Try adding &quot;regionalism&quot; to your litany of evils; racism, lookism, classism, and whatever else you think you are against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I lived there, all told, 13? 14? years. My superior wisdom comes from being open minded, experienced,  and able to appreciate true diversity, in this case, cultural, when I meet up with it. </p>
<p>Life in the midwest can be mighty pleasant. Try adding &#8220;regionalism&#8221; to your litany of evils; racism, lookism, classism, and whatever else you think you are against.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44224</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 15:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I went to grad school in Iowa and the native lefties there were the most regioally bigoted of all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course they were, if by &quot;regionally bigoted&quot; you mean &quot;refusing to ignore a lifetime of experience and defer to the superior wisdom of someone who blew in for grad school.&quot;  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I went to grad school in Iowa and the native lefties there were the most regioally bigoted of all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course they were, if by &#8220;regionally bigoted&#8221; you mean &#8220;refusing to ignore a lifetime of experience and defer to the superior wisdom of someone who blew in for grad school.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mechthild</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44221</link>
		<dc:creator>Mechthild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 14:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are being a tad cryptic. What should I know about Lauren? I am hoping that you won&#039;t tell me she is from Indiana and therefore &lt;em&gt;knows&lt;/em&gt; whereof she speaks. I went to grad school in Iowa and the native lefties there were the most regioally bigoted of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are being a tad cryptic. What should I know about Lauren? I am hoping that you won&#8217;t tell me she is from Indiana and therefore <em>knows</em> whereof she speaks. I went to grad school in Iowa and the native lefties there were the most regioally bigoted of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44192</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 02:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously not.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44191</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 02:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know much about Lauren, do ya?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know much about Lauren, do ya?</p>
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		<title>By: Mechthild</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44186</link>
		<dc:creator>Mechthild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 01:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in Indiana for a year. Nicest people, as a group, that I have ever known. I have lived in every region of the US (except the Pacific Northwest) and in Europe. Really, appeals to regional bigotry are not evidence. And they aren&#039;t persuasive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Indiana for a year. Nicest people, as a group, that I have ever known. I have lived in every region of the US (except the Pacific Northwest) and in Europe. Really, appeals to regional bigotry are not evidence. And they aren&#8217;t persuasive.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/01/must-read-article-on-crisis-pregnancy-centers/#comment-44185</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 00:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!!!  This tap dancing act is almost as good as Broadway!

This whole thing is bogus, and by your slavish clinging to the non-facts, you&#039;re making yourselves look... well... not too credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!!!  This tap dancing act is almost as good as Broadway!</p>
<p>This whole thing is bogus, and by your slavish clinging to the non-facts, you&#8217;re making yourselves look&#8230; well&#8230; not too credible.</p>
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