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	<title>Comments on: Helpful Maps For Rape Victims in Joe Lieberman&#8217;s Connecticut</title>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 21:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, emily1, I&#039;m a lapsed Catholic. I&#039;m lapsed specifically because my Catholic all-girls HS--run by another group of nuns--encouraged liberal values and female empowerment. Part of that was an encouragement to think for ourselves and know God on our own terms and within our own understanding.  They also stressed learning about the &quot;gentler&quot; parts of the Catholic faith, and how many policies in the United States (being in HS when Clinton &amp; co were dismantling welfare) were anti-Christian and anti-Jesus. Find your own morality, and accept that others will find theirs--and that others may find theirs to be different. Judge not, so not to be judged. The golden rule and all that good stuff.

The real outcome of all this was to encourage us to recognize the sexism in the RC Church, and to encourage the development of lapsed Catholics. Few of the females I graduated with are still active Catholics. And I graduated with a class of 520.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, emily1, I&#8217;m a lapsed Catholic. I&#8217;m lapsed specifically because my Catholic all-girls HS&#8211;run by another group of nuns&#8211;encouraged liberal values and female empowerment. Part of that was an encouragement to think for ourselves and know God on our own terms and within our own understanding.  They also stressed learning about the &#8220;gentler&#8221; parts of the Catholic faith, and how many policies in the United States (being in HS when Clinton &amp; co were dismantling welfare) were anti-Christian and anti-Jesus. Find your own morality, and accept that others will find theirs&#8211;and that others may find theirs to be different. Judge not, so not to be judged. The golden rule and all that good stuff.</p>
<p>The real outcome of all this was to encourage us to recognize the sexism in the RC Church, and to encourage the development of lapsed Catholics. Few of the females I graduated with are still active Catholics. And I graduated with a class of 520.</p>
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		<title>By: emily1</title>
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		<dc:creator>emily1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 14:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I find it interesting that it’s a hospital network run by nuns, rather than brothers/priests.&lt;/i&gt;

watch out or someone will accuse you of demonizing religion.  because, apparently, pointing out that the RC church is sexist and calling denial of EC to a rape victim evidence of misogyny is &#039;demonizing&#039; religion and religious people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I find it interesting that it’s a hospital network run by nuns, rather than brothers/priests.</i></p>
<p>watch out or someone will accuse you of demonizing religion.  because, apparently, pointing out that the RC church is sexist and calling denial of EC to a rape victim evidence of misogyny is &#8216;demonizing&#8217; religion and religious people.</p>
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		<title>By: PHLAF</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHLAF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 12:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, women (and men) who take advantage of the welfare system exist.  It&#039;s not even close to all people on welfare.  But,in the context in which Ian made his statement in which he used the ability to reproduce and have more children in order to get something (a majority that will vote the way he does - although why he thinks all kids will grow up to think exactly like their parents is beyond me).  In Ian&#039;s case, and in the case of people who have padded their welfare checks by having more children, or who have continued to be irresponsible about birth control and had more children than they can support because they assume the state will pick up the tab, this &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; mindless breeding.

&quot;Nyah-nyah, I&#039;ll just make more babies than you&quot; is hardly an intelligent argument for anything, nor is it even much of a threat. 

Let, the state might require that the Catholic hospital immediately transport the rape victim to an accomodating facility, but that doens&#039;t necessarily mean they&#039;ll comply - and time is a factor, as is compassionate, efficient, discreet care - starting to shuttle an already pretty shaken up woman who might also require immediate care for serious physical injury from hospital to hospital isn&#039;t good care.   Look at the pharmacists who&#039;ve refused to return prescriptions for BC,  or have refused to hand them over or transfer them to someone who will fill them out.  A minority of cases, to be sure, but when you&#039;re the person it&#039;s happening to, the statistics don&#039;t mean much. 

After a while, it&#039;s a trust issue - can women reasonably trust that a Catholic hospital will be able to offer proper care for rape victims?  The answer would seem to be no.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, women (and men) who take advantage of the welfare system exist.  It&#8217;s not even close to all people on welfare.  But,in the context in which Ian made his statement in which he used the ability to reproduce and have more children in order to get something (a majority that will vote the way he does &#8211; although why he thinks all kids will grow up to think exactly like their parents is beyond me).  In Ian&#8217;s case, and in the case of people who have padded their welfare checks by having more children, or who have continued to be irresponsible about birth control and had more children than they can support because they assume the state will pick up the tab, this <em>is</em> mindless breeding.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nyah-nyah, I&#8217;ll just make more babies than you&#8221; is hardly an intelligent argument for anything, nor is it even much of a threat. </p>
<p>Let, the state might require that the Catholic hospital immediately transport the rape victim to an accomodating facility, but that doens&#8217;t necessarily mean they&#8217;ll comply &#8211; and time is a factor, as is compassionate, efficient, discreet care &#8211; starting to shuttle an already pretty shaken up woman who might also require immediate care for serious physical injury from hospital to hospital isn&#8217;t good care.   Look at the pharmacists who&#8217;ve refused to return prescriptions for BC,  or have refused to hand them over or transfer them to someone who will fill them out.  A minority of cases, to be sure, but when you&#8217;re the person it&#8217;s happening to, the statistics don&#8217;t mean much. </p>
<p>After a while, it&#8217;s a trust issue &#8211; can women reasonably trust that a Catholic hospital will be able to offer proper care for rape victims?  The answer would seem to be no.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 02:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s common knowledge that Catholic hospitals don’t dispense emergency contraception. If a rape victim wants emergency contraception, she should go to a non-Catholic hospital or go to a Catholic hospital and have some other doctor prescribe the EC for her.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, it&#039;s not true that all Catholic hospitals refuse to carry/prescribe EC. I know of one extensive Catholic hospital network (multiple hospitals under one religious branch) in my area that offers EC. 

I find it interesting that it&#039;s a hospital network run by nuns, rather than brothers/priests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s common knowledge that Catholic hospitals don’t dispense emergency contraception. If a rape victim wants emergency contraception, she should go to a non-Catholic hospital or go to a Catholic hospital and have some other doctor prescribe the EC for her.</i></p>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s not true that all Catholic hospitals refuse to carry/prescribe EC. I know of one extensive Catholic hospital network (multiple hospitals under one religious branch) in my area that offers EC. </p>
<p>I find it interesting that it&#8217;s a hospital network run by nuns, rather than brothers/priests.</p>
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		<title>By: emily1</title>
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		<dc:creator>emily1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 23:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Think of this as our living room. You’d fully expect to be kicked out of someone’s living room (or someone’s bar) if you abused others. So why not here?&lt;/i&gt;

heh.  you should have this warning visible right above the comment box.  there has been a rash of commenters who don&#039;t seem to understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Think of this as our living room. You’d fully expect to be kicked out of someone’s living room (or someone’s bar) if you abused others. So why not here?</i></p>
<p>heh.  you should have this warning visible right above the comment box.  there has been a rash of commenters who don&#8217;t seem to understand this.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 21:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and just so we&#039;re all clear:

This isn&#039;t an unfettered free-speech zone.  If you&#039;re disruptive or a troll, you&#039;ll be warned, and if you refuse to change your behavior, you&#039;ll be banned.

Think of this as our living room. You&#039;d fully expect to be kicked out of someone&#039;s living room (or someone&#039;s bar) if you abused others. So why not here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and just so we&#8217;re all clear:</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t an unfettered free-speech zone.  If you&#8217;re disruptive or a troll, you&#8217;ll be warned, and if you refuse to change your behavior, you&#8217;ll be banned.</p>
<p>Think of this as our living room. You&#8217;d fully expect to be kicked out of someone&#8217;s living room (or someone&#8217;s bar) if you abused others. So why not here?</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 21:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, &quot;being annoying after being called on it&quot; will get you moderated.

PHLAF has been called on her statement and has not responded to it.  

So don&#039;t imagine you&#039;ve been punished for a thoughtcrime.  No, you&#039;ve just been an unrepentant asswipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, &#8220;being annoying after being called on it&#8221; will get you moderated.</p>
<p>PHLAF has been called on her statement and has not responded to it.  </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t imagine you&#8217;ve been punished for a thoughtcrime.  No, you&#8217;ve just been an unrepentant asswipe.</p>
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		<title>By: emily1</title>
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		<dc:creator>emily1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 21:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;i dunno what being “sent to the moderation queue” means–if it means I can’t post anymore here, that’s cool I guess. i dunno why it’s cool to call women on welfare “mindess” and that’s not “queue-worthy” or whatever, but hey, it’s your site, thanks for, uh, temporarily entertaining dissent&lt;/i&gt;

this site does entertain dissent.  dissent does not include the right to generalize smugly about what &#039;the left&#039; believes or does not believe.  it also does not include the right to make half a dozen strawman arguments with impunity while ignoring actual arguments made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i dunno what being “sent to the moderation queue” means–if it means I can’t post anymore here, that’s cool I guess. i dunno why it’s cool to call women on welfare “mindess” and that’s not “queue-worthy” or whatever, but hey, it’s your site, thanks for, uh, temporarily entertaining dissent</i></p>
<p>this site does entertain dissent.  dissent does not include the right to generalize smugly about what &#8216;the left&#8217; believes or does not believe.  it also does not include the right to make half a dozen strawman arguments with impunity while ignoring actual arguments made.</p>
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		<title>By: Let</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 20:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I&#039;m very much pro-choice but to choose to go to a Catholic hospital to get Plan B makes as much sense as joining the Republican party in order to help the poor and downtrodden. Obviously in the case of a rape victim, there is no choice as to what hospital, but even if she is initially taken to a Catholic hospital she can advise the rape counselor she wishes to be taken to a hospital that will accomodate her decision. If the hospital interferes, then it&#039;s a different ballgame. 

As long as Lieberman doesn&#039;t infect his stupidity via his vote to eliminate Plan B from all hospitals, I have no issues with his decision to not support it at a hospital that is religiously-inclined. While a rape victim may not have the presence of mind to request a hospital that will provide her with the emergency contraception that she needs, the state can require the hospital to arrange for transport to another hospital if they choose to waive the option of offering it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m very much pro-choice but to choose to go to a Catholic hospital to get Plan B makes as much sense as joining the Republican party in order to help the poor and downtrodden. Obviously in the case of a rape victim, there is no choice as to what hospital, but even if she is initially taken to a Catholic hospital she can advise the rape counselor she wishes to be taken to a hospital that will accomodate her decision. If the hospital interferes, then it&#8217;s a different ballgame. </p>
<p>As long as Lieberman doesn&#8217;t infect his stupidity via his vote to eliminate Plan B from all hospitals, I have no issues with his decision to not support it at a hospital that is religiously-inclined. While a rape victim may not have the presence of mind to request a hospital that will provide her with the emergency contraception that she needs, the state can require the hospital to arrange for transport to another hospital if they choose to waive the option of offering it.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 17:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dunno what being &quot;sent to the moderation queue&quot; means--if it means I can&#039;t post anymore here, that&#039;s cool I guess. i dunno why it&#039;s cool to call women on welfare &quot;mindess&quot; and that&#039;s not &quot;queue-worthy&quot; or whatever, but hey, it&#039;s your site, thanks for, uh, temporarily entertaining dissent

seeya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dunno what being &#8220;sent to the moderation queue&#8221; means&#8211;if it means I can&#8217;t post anymore here, that&#8217;s cool I guess. i dunno why it&#8217;s cool to call women on welfare &#8220;mindess&#8221; and that&#8217;s not &#8220;queue-worthy&#8221; or whatever, but hey, it&#8217;s your site, thanks for, uh, temporarily entertaining dissent</p>
<p>seeya</p>
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