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		<title>By: Sina</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/07/contra-contreception/#comment-44814</link>
		<dc:creator>Sina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 16:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grog: No kidding, just look at the &quot;war on drugs.&quot; Only the difference was that during prohibition, the homemade alcohol wasn&#039;t regulated, and so possibly much more dangerous. 

Also, we should perhaps be less worried about imminent efforts to legally ban contraception; it seems like this administration&#039;s MO is to &lt;em&gt;illegally&lt;/em&gt; ban things; kind of like the sham holdup of the morning-after pill discussed in detail in this very article, and in a wider sense (as described in Charlie Savage&#039;s Boston Globe article), the various pieces of legislation that the president has never vetoed, but instead attached a little note that says, by the way, this law does not apply.

Argh. Anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grog: No kidding, just look at the &#8220;war on drugs.&#8221; Only the difference was that during prohibition, the homemade alcohol wasn&#8217;t regulated, and so possibly much more dangerous. </p>
<p>Also, we should perhaps be less worried about imminent efforts to legally ban contraception; it seems like this administration&#8217;s MO is to <em>illegally</em> ban things; kind of like the sham holdup of the morning-after pill discussed in detail in this very article, and in a wider sense (as described in Charlie Savage&#8217;s Boston Globe article), the various pieces of legislation that the president has never vetoed, but instead attached a little note that says, by the way, this law does not apply.</p>
<p>Argh. Anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Grog</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/07/contra-contreception/#comment-44772</link>
		<dc:creator>Grog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 03:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stepping aside from the US Constitutional law a bit {which is a bit of arcana that I only have a pidgin knowledge of}, it seems to me that there is an underlying practical problem with the current legislative direction both in regards to abortion and contraception.

In both cases, lawmakers are attempting to codify in law proscriptions against what are essentially matters of personal morality and ethics.  

Like the prohibition era when alcohol was banned, all that really happens is that access to it goes underground.  People don&#039;t stop drinking because alcohol is illegal, nor do I have any illusions that making contraception illegal will stop it from being used.  

Ultimately, laws that attempt to directly regulate people&#039;s behaviours through some kind of arbitrary morality fail - either when challenged in the courts, or quietly by being ignored by the population.  As has been demonstrated time and again, legislated morality fails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stepping aside from the US Constitutional law a bit {which is a bit of arcana that I only have a pidgin knowledge of}, it seems to me that there is an underlying practical problem with the current legislative direction both in regards to abortion and contraception.</p>
<p>In both cases, lawmakers are attempting to codify in law proscriptions against what are essentially matters of personal morality and ethics.  </p>
<p>Like the prohibition era when alcohol was banned, all that really happens is that access to it goes underground.  People don&#8217;t stop drinking because alcohol is illegal, nor do I have any illusions that making contraception illegal will stop it from being used.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, laws that attempt to directly regulate people&#8217;s behaviours through some kind of arbitrary morality fail &#8211; either when challenged in the courts, or quietly by being ignored by the population.  As has been demonstrated time and again, legislated morality fails.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 01:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Magis, at Harvard it’s not even a required course.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Philistines.

Well, Fitz argues like someone who hasn&#039;t taken Con Law yet, since the idea of incremental changes in the Court&#039;s opinions through subsequent decisions seems to have eluded him.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Magis, at Harvard it’s not even a required course.</p></blockquote>
<p>Philistines.</p>
<p>Well, Fitz argues like someone who hasn&#8217;t taken Con Law yet, since the idea of incremental changes in the Court&#8217;s opinions through subsequent decisions seems to have eluded him.</p>
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		<title>By: ballgame</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/07/contra-contreception/#comment-44744</link>
		<dc:creator>ballgame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It takes a certain crass opportunism to paint our rights to contraception as under a likely, much less immanent threat.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The real bulwark that protects access to contraception is not going to be static legalisms but what our society comes to collectively believe and ultimately accept is their proper role.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since the leader of the party which currently rules us claims the power to indefinitely imprison citizens in this country without administrative or judicial review of any kind, and also claims that the Fourth Amendment is somehow inoperative under our current circumstances, it is quite unclear to me which freedoms and rights we may safely take for granted, or whether the collective belief of the preponderant majority will suffice to protect those freedoms against legalistic encroachment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It takes a certain crass opportunism to paint our rights to contraception as under a likely, much less immanent threat.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The real bulwark that protects access to contraception is not going to be static legalisms but what our society comes to collectively believe and ultimately accept is their proper role.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since the leader of the party which currently rules us claims the power to indefinitely imprison citizens in this country without administrative or judicial review of any kind, and also claims that the Fourth Amendment is somehow inoperative under our current circumstances, it is quite unclear to me which freedoms and rights we may safely take for granted, or whether the collective belief of the preponderant majority will suffice to protect those freedoms against legalistic encroachment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/07/contra-contreception/#comment-44741</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 00:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fitz, as I mentioned on the other site (you know, the one with Ann) you&#039;re doing what a lot of law-oriented types tend to do (and this includes a lot of liberals) which in my opinion is underestimate the role of social norms and popular opinion and overestimate the influence of narrow legal interpretations. I suggest you look over the posts on this thread if you haven&#039;t already for the ways at which the Republicans are chipping away at access to contraception. However distant total, direct and unadulterated victory for the theocon side may be, it is clear that the war is on. 

The real bulwark that protects access to contraception is not going to be static legalisms but what our society comes to collectively believe and ultimately accept is their proper role. And that requires a larger debate over the role of religion in public life-- and the place of openness and freedom regarding sexual behavior in social life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fitz, as I mentioned on the other site (you know, the one with Ann) you&#8217;re doing what a lot of law-oriented types tend to do (and this includes a lot of liberals) which in my opinion is underestimate the role of social norms and popular opinion and overestimate the influence of narrow legal interpretations. I suggest you look over the posts on this thread if you haven&#8217;t already for the ways at which the Republicans are chipping away at access to contraception. However distant total, direct and unadulterated victory for the theocon side may be, it is clear that the war is on. </p>
<p>The real bulwark that protects access to contraception is not going to be static legalisms but what our society comes to collectively believe and ultimately accept is their proper role. And that requires a larger debate over the role of religion in public life&#8211; and the place of openness and freedom regarding sexual behavior in social life.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 23:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magis, at Harvard it&#039;s not even a required course. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magis, at Harvard it&#8217;s not even a required course.</p>
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		<title>By: Have Coffee Will Write &#187; IF SHE&#8217;S OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/07/contra-contreception/#comment-44723</link>
		<dc:creator>Have Coffee Will Write &#187; IF SHE&#8217;S OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 21:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pdate &#8212; 1713 &#8212; lots of other bloggers are all over this like Terry, Sherry and Feminste.] 	Emboldened by the appointments of Chief Justice Joh [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/07/contra-contreception/#comment-44718</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 20:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We&#039;re marching proudly backwards to our future.&quot;

From &quot;The Department of Homeland Decency: Decency Rules and Regulations Manual.&quot;   WWW.homelanddecency.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re marching proudly backwards to our future.&#8221;</p>
<p>From &#8220;The Department of Homeland Decency: Decency Rules and Regulations Manual.&#8221;   <a href="http://WWW.homelanddecency.com" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.homelanddecency.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Magis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 20:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fitz:

I know of no Law School that would leave out ConLaw in the first year.  So much else wouldn&#039;t make sense without it.  Hell, I had to take it as an undergrad course.

Now I don&#039;t know if you were kidding or not but yes, Carry Nation is alive and well and living in Kansas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fitz:</p>
<p>I know of no Law School that would leave out ConLaw in the first year.  So much else wouldn&#8217;t make sense without it.  Hell, I had to take it as an undergrad course.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t know if you were kidding or not but yes, Carry Nation is alive and well and living in Kansas.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was my understanding that the cultural left was intent on raising the &lt;b&gt;specter&lt;/b&gt; of people taking away birth control- as a political weapon. (I never really believed that people were losing real sleep over it) 

I suppose I can lay awake worrying about a return to prohibition. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my understanding that the cultural left was intent on raising the <b>specter</b> of people taking away birth control- as a political weapon. (I never really believed that people were losing real sleep over it) </p>
<p>I suppose I can lay awake worrying about a return to prohibition.</p>
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