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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; About That &#8220;Pre-Pregnant&#8221; Thing</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45951</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; About That &#8220;Pre-Pregnant&#8221; Thing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 16:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ly read the CDC report cited in that godawful WaPo article &#8220;Forever Pregnant&#8221; (which Jill discussed here), you can easily discern that the Post has an anti- [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ly read the CDC report cited in that godawful WaPo article &#8220;Forever Pregnant&#8221; (which Jill discussed here), you can easily discern that the Post has an anti- [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Gazis-Sax</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45938</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Gazis-Sax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why is women’s health not being promoted by the CDC just so women can be healthy? Why is it being promoted specifically because of infant mortality?&lt;/em&gt;

The CDC does promote women&#039;s health in general; it just doesn&#039;t address that in this specific report.  The CDC isn&#039;t currently in the hands of people agitating for Gilead, really; it just happens to be part of an administration which is.  So I wouldn&#039;t put this report on the level of politicized decisions like the blocking of OTC approval for Plan B.

On caffeine, this particular childbearing age woman has no intention of worrying about the one or two caffeine-containing soft drinks that she may drink in a week.  I think it&#039;s only a problem if you drink a ton of coffee.  Besides, my premie niece was actually given caffeine during the first weeks of her life to make her healthier, so it can&#039;t be a total disaster during pregnancy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Why is women’s health not being promoted by the CDC just so women can be healthy? Why is it being promoted specifically because of infant mortality?</em></p>
<p>The CDC does promote women&#8217;s health in general; it just doesn&#8217;t address that in this specific report.  The CDC isn&#8217;t currently in the hands of people agitating for Gilead, really; it just happens to be part of an administration which is.  So I wouldn&#8217;t put this report on the level of politicized decisions like the blocking of OTC approval for Plan B.</p>
<p>On caffeine, this particular childbearing age woman has no intention of worrying about the one or two caffeine-containing soft drinks that she may drink in a week.  I think it&#8217;s only a problem if you drink a ton of coffee.  Besides, my premie niece was actually given caffeine during the first weeks of her life to make her healthier, so it can&#8217;t be a total disaster during pregnancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Thursday 18th May fluffy links</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45912</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Thursday 18th May fluffy links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 12:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dvertising&quot;&gt;Really clever advertising on ATMs, drinks machines and photo ID Machines. 	American Govt gives advice to &#8220;pre-pregnant women.&#8221; Very odd. 	Pi [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dvertising&#8221;&gt;Really clever advertising on ATMs, drinks machines and photo ID Machines. 	American Govt gives advice to &#8220;pre-pregnant women.&#8221; Very odd. 	Pi [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45910</link>
		<dc:creator>Maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 10:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all by endorsing the medical profession&#039;s idea to maintain a  healthy weight, you are not talking about a wide range of sizes.  The medical profession&#039;s idea about a healthy weight is based on the BMI, and includes a narrow range of body weights, and very little scientific evidence that those body-weights will help you live long and prosper, any more than any other.

But more importantly there is actually very little evidence that weight is an independant variable when it comes to health.  

This actually works at both end of the spectrum.  Very thin women are prone to osteoperosis, but is this because there&#039;s a natural link between osteoperosis and weight, or because women who are very thin are statistically more likely to also be women who over-exercise and eat restricted diets.

Until we do know to say that we know that a particular weight class (as opposed to lifestyle decisions that may or may not coincide with you being in that weight class), I think it&#039;s a little bit premature to talk about a &#039;healthy weight&#039;.  Let alone maintaining a healthy weight.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all by endorsing the medical profession&#8217;s idea to maintain a  healthy weight, you are not talking about a wide range of sizes.  The medical profession&#8217;s idea about a healthy weight is based on the BMI, and includes a narrow range of body weights, and very little scientific evidence that those body-weights will help you live long and prosper, any more than any other.</p>
<p>But more importantly there is actually very little evidence that weight is an independant variable when it comes to health.  </p>
<p>This actually works at both end of the spectrum.  Very thin women are prone to osteoperosis, but is this because there&#8217;s a natural link between osteoperosis and weight, or because women who are very thin are statistically more likely to also be women who over-exercise and eat restricted diets.</p>
<p>Until we do know to say that we know that a particular weight class (as opposed to lifestyle decisions that may or may not coincide with you being in that weight class), I think it&#8217;s a little bit premature to talk about a &#8216;healthy weight&#8217;.  Let alone maintaining a healthy weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45841</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 19:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ledasmom... the current idea is if you drink in excess of 5-6 cups of coffee a day, you have a higher risk of miscarriage. One or two cups of coffee a day isn&#039;t going to hurt. Some doctors recommend abstaining completely, but I drink iced tea on a regular basis, which has about half the caffeine as coffee. They haven&#039;t found the same effect with tea or soda, just iced tea. (Did I prove how much of a nerd I am about these things yet?)
Maia.... my mom currently weighs about 325 pounds. Because of this, she can barely walk and struggles with chest pain, digestive issues, and a higher risk of diabetes. I really don&#039;t think Jill is saying that everyone must be a size 2 or they will die of fatness. There really is a point where your weight starts becoming an issue. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s where they try to push women to be, but there is such a thing as an unhealthy weight. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ledasmom&#8230; the current idea is if you drink in excess of 5-6 cups of coffee a day, you have a higher risk of miscarriage. One or two cups of coffee a day isn&#8217;t going to hurt. Some doctors recommend abstaining completely, but I drink iced tea on a regular basis, which has about half the caffeine as coffee. They haven&#8217;t found the same effect with tea or soda, just iced tea. (Did I prove how much of a nerd I am about these things yet?)<br />
Maia&#8230;. my mom currently weighs about 325 pounds. Because of this, she can barely walk and struggles with chest pain, digestive issues, and a higher risk of diabetes. I really don&#8217;t think Jill is saying that everyone must be a size 2 or they will die of fatness. There really is a point where your weight starts becoming an issue. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s where they try to push women to be, but there is such a thing as an unhealthy weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Ledasmom</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45830</link>
		<dc:creator>Ledasmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 17:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any current evidence for a deleterious effect from caffeine in pregnancy?  If I were thinking of having another crib lizard, the only way I&#039;d stay awake long enough to conceive would be by using caffeine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any current evidence for a deleterious effect from caffeine in pregnancy?  If I were thinking of having another crib lizard, the only way I&#8217;d stay awake long enough to conceive would be by using caffeine.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 16:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhhh....Maia?  You do read about health, yes?  You do know that there is indeed such a thing as unhealthy weight, yeah?  Leads to heart disease, high blood pressure, and can be linked to adult onset diabetes, cancers, and a whole raft of fun for the whole family?  Now, I only popped in here becuase Ilyka Damen told me to and I&#039;ll do anything Ilyka tells me to (must be a submissive chick thing) but nowhere does Jill say &quot;you should have a healthy weight otherwise men will think you&#039;re ugly.  UGLY!  You&#039;ll get left behind at the balls and no one will ask you about your pot roast!  Now stop reading my blog and go put some makeup on, you miserable man-less whore!&quot;  No.  She says we should have healthy weight.  

There is such a thing as unhealthy weight, for both men and women (thereby proving that fat?  It is not misogynistic.)  There is a doctor term (not a feminist term) called &quot;morbidly obese&quot;.  This applies to men and women, and means that the fat ratio on a person has indeed become unhealthy.  Arteries can clog.  Hearts can stop.  Lungs strain to breathe.  This has nothing to do with being attractive.  It has to do with health.  Do people find others moribdly obese unattractive?  I&#039;m sure they do, just as others find the Calista Flockhearts unnattractive.  Looking good was not the point of the statement.

I don&#039;t mean to pick up on a side tangent here in the comment section, I just felt that the waving of the &quot;shame on you, and you a feminist!&quot; was being waved unneccessarily at the canvas.  Must be all that folic acid I&#039;m on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhhh&#8230;.Maia?  You do read about health, yes?  You do know that there is indeed such a thing as unhealthy weight, yeah?  Leads to heart disease, high blood pressure, and can be linked to adult onset diabetes, cancers, and a whole raft of fun for the whole family?  Now, I only popped in here becuase Ilyka Damen told me to and I&#8217;ll do anything Ilyka tells me to (must be a submissive chick thing) but nowhere does Jill say &#8220;you should have a healthy weight otherwise men will think you&#8217;re ugly.  UGLY!  You&#8217;ll get left behind at the balls and no one will ask you about your pot roast!  Now stop reading my blog and go put some makeup on, you miserable man-less whore!&#8221;  No.  She says we should have healthy weight.  </p>
<p>There is such a thing as unhealthy weight, for both men and women (thereby proving that fat?  It is not misogynistic.)  There is a doctor term (not a feminist term) called &#8220;morbidly obese&#8221;.  This applies to men and women, and means that the fat ratio on a person has indeed become unhealthy.  Arteries can clog.  Hearts can stop.  Lungs strain to breathe.  This has nothing to do with being attractive.  It has to do with health.  Do people find others moribdly obese unattractive?  I&#8217;m sure they do, just as others find the Calista Flockhearts unnattractive.  Looking good was not the point of the statement.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to pick up on a side tangent here in the comment section, I just felt that the waving of the &#8220;shame on you, and you a feminist!&#8221; was being waved unneccessarily at the canvas.  Must be all that folic acid I&#8217;m on.</p>
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		<title>By: Noli Irritare Leones  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; On being pre-pregnant</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45820</link>
		<dc:creator>Noli Irritare Leones  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; On being pre-pregnant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] althy&#8211;but I’d like to think of myself as bit more than a potential baby-carrier.  	Jill of Feministe and Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon concur, with some interesti [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45814</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But Amanda, the problem is that the women’s health issues are being approached strictly from the “childbearing” angle. Why is women’s health not being promoted by the CDC just so women can be healthy? Why is it being promoted specifically because of infant mortality?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The report is about a very specific initiative, to get doctors in the course of caring for women altogether to initiate conversations about their reproductive health.  In the report it specifically states that this is not intended to replace or supersede well-woman care.  That this is in fact much less than well-woman care, just another factor in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But Amanda, the problem is that the women’s health issues are being approached strictly from the “childbearing” angle. Why is women’s health not being promoted by the CDC just so women can be healthy? Why is it being promoted specifically because of infant mortality?</p></blockquote>
<p>The report is about a very specific initiative, to get doctors in the course of caring for women altogether to initiate conversations about their reproductive health.  In the report it specifically states that this is not intended to replace or supersede well-woman care.  That this is in fact much less than well-woman care, just another factor in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/i-am-pre-pregnant/#comment-45813</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 14:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting because my mother tells me the same thing, albeit not from menarche on but from the time you start &quot;thinking about&quot; children. 

She told me that it&#039;s good to give up all alcohol and caffeine several months before you even start trying for a kid, so that it&#039;s &quot;out of your system.&quot; Now I&#039;d probably give up alcohol anyway while trying, since it apparently makes it harder to conceive for some people and just isn&#039;t that safe when babies are a possibility. Plus it&#039;s making me gain weight so I should really stop anyway. :-) 

But not months before trying, when we&#039;re still using birth control! And even my doctor told me that one cup of coffee a day is fine until you actually find out you&#039;re PG. I do not have cats, but if I did I would not give them up just becasue I&#039;m thinking about kids. 

However, I think there&#039;s a fine line between picking up healthy habits just prior to pregnancy, versus always treating your body as if you&#039;re already pregnant. I was a virgin all through high school and much of college, so what sense would it have made to act pregnant then? In case I got raped? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting because my mother tells me the same thing, albeit not from menarche on but from the time you start &#8220;thinking about&#8221; children. </p>
<p>She told me that it&#8217;s good to give up all alcohol and caffeine several months before you even start trying for a kid, so that it&#8217;s &#8220;out of your system.&#8221; Now I&#8217;d probably give up alcohol anyway while trying, since it apparently makes it harder to conceive for some people and just isn&#8217;t that safe when babies are a possibility. Plus it&#8217;s making me gain weight so I should really stop anyway. :-) </p>
<p>But not months before trying, when we&#8217;re still using birth control! And even my doctor told me that one cup of coffee a day is fine until you actually find out you&#8217;re PG. I do not have cats, but if I did I would not give them up just becasue I&#8217;m thinking about kids. </p>
<p>However, I think there&#8217;s a fine line between picking up healthy habits just prior to pregnancy, versus always treating your body as if you&#8217;re already pregnant. I was a virgin all through high school and much of college, so what sense would it have made to act pregnant then? In case I got raped?</p>
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