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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: caitlin</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/where-few-dare-to-disobey/#comment-46126</link>
		<dc:creator>caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhiannon, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/Issues/2005-12-29/news/feature.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;all of the inbreeding is already making its presence felt.&lt;/a&gt;  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nearly everyone in Colorado City, Arizona, and the adjacent town of Hildale, Utah, was a member of a fundamentalist Mormon sect that practices polygamy and had long encouraged multiple marriages between close relatives.

By the late 1990s, Tarby and his team had discovered fumarase deficiency was occurring in the greatest concentration in the world among the fundamentalist Mormon polygamists of northern Arizona and southern Utah.

Of even greater concern was the fact that the recessive gene that triggers the disease was rapidly spreading to thousands of individuals living in the community because of decades of inbreeding.

Fast-forward to the present: About half of the 8,000 people living in the towns are blood relatives of two of the founding families that settled in the 1930s on the desolate high desert plateau against the base of the Vermillion Cliffs.

Religious leaders control all marriages in the community, and many of these relatives have married or likely will marry in the future. Some of these marriages will include parents who both are carriers of the fumarase deficiency gene, making it certain that more children will be afflicted with the disease.

&quot;We have and will have a continual output of children with this condition,&quot; Tarby says.

In this isolated religious society north of the Grand Canyon, few secrets have been more closely guarded than the presence of fumarase deficiency. Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints elders, who control the community, have labored to keep the public from finding out why the disorder is manifesting. Many members of the fundamentalist community don&#039;t even know it&#039;s occurring. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Those who &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; aware of this problem - parents, family members and such - all look at it as a special challenge from God, meant to test their faith.  It gives one the idea that they explain away every possible negative outcome as a &#039;test of faith&#039;, which leads me to believe that these folks will breed themselves into sterility and genetic deterioration before they will ever give up their lifestyles.

Sickening, really.  Absolutely sickening. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhiannon, <a href="http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/Issues/2005-12-29/news/feature.html" rel="nofollow">all of the inbreeding is already making its presence felt.</a>  </p>
<blockquote><p>Nearly everyone in Colorado City, Arizona, and the adjacent town of Hildale, Utah, was a member of a fundamentalist Mormon sect that practices polygamy and had long encouraged multiple marriages between close relatives.</p>
<p>By the late 1990s, Tarby and his team had discovered fumarase deficiency was occurring in the greatest concentration in the world among the fundamentalist Mormon polygamists of northern Arizona and southern Utah.</p>
<p>Of even greater concern was the fact that the recessive gene that triggers the disease was rapidly spreading to thousands of individuals living in the community because of decades of inbreeding.</p>
<p>Fast-forward to the present: About half of the 8,000 people living in the towns are blood relatives of two of the founding families that settled in the 1930s on the desolate high desert plateau against the base of the Vermillion Cliffs.</p>
<p>Religious leaders control all marriages in the community, and many of these relatives have married or likely will marry in the future. Some of these marriages will include parents who both are carriers of the fumarase deficiency gene, making it certain that more children will be afflicted with the disease.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have and will have a continual output of children with this condition,&#8221; Tarby says.</p>
<p>In this isolated religious society north of the Grand Canyon, few secrets have been more closely guarded than the presence of fumarase deficiency. Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints elders, who control the community, have labored to keep the public from finding out why the disorder is manifesting. Many members of the fundamentalist community don&#8217;t even know it&#8217;s occurring. </p></blockquote>
<p>Those who <i>are</i> aware of this problem &#8211; parents, family members and such &#8211; all look at it as a special challenge from God, meant to test their faith.  It gives one the idea that they explain away every possible negative outcome as a &#8216;test of faith&#8217;, which leads me to believe that these folks will breed themselves into sterility and genetic deterioration before they will ever give up their lifestyles.</p>
<p>Sickening, really.  Absolutely sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: syfr</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/16/where-few-dare-to-disobey/#comment-46122</link>
		<dc:creator>syfr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 15:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhiannon,  I&#039;ve heard that the inbreeding is very bad, and that the &quot;imperfect&quot; results are kept at home and not allowed out, adding to the burden of the women who do the work at home.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhiannon,  I&#8217;ve heard that the inbreeding is very bad, and that the &#8220;imperfect&#8221; results are kept at home and not allowed out, adding to the burden of the women who do the work at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhiannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhiannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 18:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone want to take a guess as to the level of inbreeding going on in these places... I can&#039;t help but think that they don&#039;t get much *new blood*...  they&#039;ve all got to be like cousins of each other or something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone want to take a guess as to the level of inbreeding going on in these places&#8230; I can&#8217;t help but think that they don&#8217;t get much *new blood*&#8230;  they&#8217;ve all got to be like cousins of each other or something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy McCarty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy McCarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 07:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar to the way they GOT Capone with Tax Evasion, why can&#039;t/doesn&#039;t the FEDERAL or STATE Government (Arizona, at least) go after the FLDS for Welfare fraud? In all this time SOMEONE must have noticed  all the checks going to the same FUCKING ADDRESS(S) !!! Answer of course is they just aren&#039;t TRYING, but this issue (Polygamy) has come WAY out from under the radar since I first read Under THe Banner Of Heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar to the way they GOT Capone with Tax Evasion, why can&#8217;t/doesn&#8217;t the FEDERAL or STATE Government (Arizona, at least) go after the FLDS for Welfare fraud? In all this time SOMEONE must have noticed  all the checks going to the same FUCKING ADDRESS(S) !!! Answer of course is they just aren&#8217;t TRYING, but this issue (Polygamy) has come WAY out from under the radar since I first read Under THe Banner Of Heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 01:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LDS church was formed in New York state, if I&#039;m not mistaken.  Then they were driven out of various places until they wound up in Utah.  The church had to renounce polygamy when they were admitted to the Union, and some of the fundamentalists didn&#039;t like that, so they split.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LDS church was formed in New York state, if I&#8217;m not mistaken.  Then they were driven out of various places until they wound up in Utah.  The church had to renounce polygamy when they were admitted to the Union, and some of the fundamentalists didn&#8217;t like that, so they split.</p>
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		<title>By: Medicine Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medicine Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 23:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question: Did these people flee England or did they get the boot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question: Did these people flee England or did they get the boot?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 14:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several people mentioned &quot;Under the Banner of Heaven,&quot; but I&#039;d also like to recommend the book Rulon Jeff&#039;s daughter wrote.  At the moment I can&#039;t remember the name, which does rather blunt my recommendation, doesn&#039;t it?  She describes growing up in a polygamous family and talks about how she rejected it as an adult.  It has an interesting connection to &quot;Under the Banner,&quot; in that the same group responsible for the murder described in that book also murdered her father.  Sex and violence, as traditional as it gets.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several people mentioned &#8220;Under the Banner of Heaven,&#8221; but I&#8217;d also like to recommend the book Rulon Jeff&#8217;s daughter wrote.  At the moment I can&#8217;t remember the name, which does rather blunt my recommendation, doesn&#8217;t it?  She describes growing up in a polygamous family and talks about how she rejected it as an adult.  It has an interesting connection to &#8220;Under the Banner,&#8221; in that the same group responsible for the murder described in that book also murdered her father.  Sex and violence, as traditional as it gets.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 12:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magis,

Ten points for the Jainism reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magis,</p>
<p>Ten points for the Jainism reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Magis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 12:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zuzu:

I was a Jainist who swatted a fly in the last life.

I was in Hilldale campaigning for a Democratic state senator.  His district was larger than Massachusetts and Connecticutt put together.  If you find yourself on the wrong side of Lake Powell you can either travel three hundred miles to get on the other side of the district or travel the Arizona Strip for which you go through Hilldale/Colorado City.  We also used to have the much more benign Alex Joseph bunch in Big Water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zuzu:</p>
<p>I was a Jainist who swatted a fly in the last life.</p>
<p>I was in Hilldale campaigning for a Democratic state senator.  His district was larger than Massachusetts and Connecticutt put together.  If you find yourself on the wrong side of Lake Powell you can either travel three hundred miles to get on the other side of the district or travel the Arizona Strip for which you go through Hilldale/Colorado City.  We also used to have the much more benign Alex Joseph bunch in Big Water.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 08:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that MOST christian-types aren&#039;t this scary--even most Mormons. All the same, I can&#039;t really say I&#039;m surprised. By focusing on Christ&#039;s death as a excising of sin--rather than on his life and teachings about humility and compassion--early Christian leaders effectively created the framework for a personality cult.  Without Paul and Timothy, I suspect that Christianity might well have become a philosophy very similar to Buddhist/Hindu-Samanic mysticism.  Instead, it chose to elevate Christ&#039;s final act focusing on hero-worship rather than personal betterment.  Any institution such as the FLDS should find it terribly simple to carry that paradigm to its most extreme logical conclusion.

This is what happens when we take religious edicts from a patriarchal, indigenous 2,000 year old desert culture, and try to make them work in a society that purports itself to be enlightened, democratic, and focused on principles such as reasoned public discourse and individual liberty.  The Utilitarians are spinning in their graves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that MOST christian-types aren&#8217;t this scary&#8211;even most Mormons. All the same, I can&#8217;t really say I&#8217;m surprised. By focusing on Christ&#8217;s death as a excising of sin&#8211;rather than on his life and teachings about humility and compassion&#8211;early Christian leaders effectively created the framework for a personality cult.  Without Paul and Timothy, I suspect that Christianity might well have become a philosophy very similar to Buddhist/Hindu-Samanic mysticism.  Instead, it chose to elevate Christ&#8217;s final act focusing on hero-worship rather than personal betterment.  Any institution such as the FLDS should find it terribly simple to carry that paradigm to its most extreme logical conclusion.</p>
<p>This is what happens when we take religious edicts from a patriarchal, indigenous 2,000 year old desert culture, and try to make them work in a society that purports itself to be enlightened, democratic, and focused on principles such as reasoned public discourse and individual liberty.  The Utilitarians are spinning in their graves.</p>
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