When a two year old plays naked in her backyard, does that mean her 14 year old neighbor is justified in raping her? How about if he peeked through her window to see her naked? Justified then? After all, he’s a horny teenage boy and she provoked his desires.

And as for horny teenage boys: they are actually pretty blase about what the girls wear, because most girls dress in the same type of clothing. I taught middle school for a year and this is one of the things I picked up on. Boys can be horny and still in control and able to pull away when a girl says no. By saying that boys or men cannot control themselves, you are doing a serious disservice to most males.

Rape is about dominance and power and getting what you want at the expense of someone else. You wouldn’t excuse a shoplifter even though stores of full of bright shiny stuff that is just lying there; why would you excuse someone who causes great personal harm when you’d condemn someone who causes only minor economic harm?

Unfortunately, Trickish knave is partially correct. He’s talking about 12-16 year-olds, remember? And they certainly do have a Slut Uniform. Here’s my post about teenage Slut Uniforms, derived from interviews with a 17-y.o. informant. What my informant emphasized was not that the girls are dressing like “sluts” (a term with great social weight in that age group), but that it is a *uniform*: all the girls in a certain broad social group wear very similar clothes. I’m sure the Slut Uniform in Hawaii differs from that here in NJ, but yes, there is a Uniform. And since that Uniform is all about (a) conformity (b) to men’s perceived desires, how can it *not* be anti-feminist?

What is revealing is that Tk sees the Uniform as a provocation of rape, when it is *by definition* worn by the girls who are trying to conform. This is what feminists mean by a “Rape Culture”, gang.

It’s not like there’s ever been any sex scandals with ministers, priests, bishops or popes now, is it?

I don’t think the native women were in much danger from the missionaries

Ha! Funniest thing I’ve read all day.

I think if more people would come out and admit that they don’t think young girls or adolescent girls or grown women should dress “slutty” is because it makes them uncomfortable for whatever reason, not because they’re worried for the women’s safety. If more people would just say that they think they should have a right to tell women what to do without the patronizing bullshit frosting, I’d be able to respect them a tiny bit more. Not enough to stop thinking they’re dumb jackasses, but just a bit.

Jill, I’m not a prude who thinks a tank top and shorts is slutty looking. I think it is slutty when a young teenaged girl is wearing a pair of tight shorts that has butts cheek hanging out the bottom or a miniskirt that is so short it looks like it came out of a porno.

Hawaii is one of the best places I’ve lived for the eye candy; beautiful women are everywhere and I dig the way they dress.

I guess to add to your comment not so much about the clothes but the bodies in them I would have to agree to some extent. I don’t think it’s appropriate for a 13 year old girl to be wearing shorts that prominantly displays her camel toe.

Lynn, excellent point. Excuse my ignorance of of the soft sciences and the terminology (it has been a wh ile since my few psychology classes), but socipathy is the word I was looking for.

zuzu, good comparison with the natives when Cook and the missionaries showed up and the lack clothing, however, I think you might have contradicted yourself. You weigh in on the value system of people and I think the missionary value system is a lot different than the tards who rape women. I don’t think the native women were in much danger from the missionaries; the problems came when drunk sailors showed up.

To use the weather as an excuse for a young teens to wear skimpy clothing is comical at best.

I love words like “skimpy” — they’re kind of like “slutty” and “promiscuous” in that how we define them is always in the eye of the beholder, and usually means “more than I do.” i.e., someone’s clothes are skimpy when they show more than mine do; someone is slutty/promiscious when they’ve had more partners than I have.

So what’s “skimpy”? Skirt and a tank top? That seems pretty reasonable in warm weather (indeed, that’s what I wrote last night). Miniskirt? Shorts? Halter top? Sports bra and spandex at the gym? V-neck shirt?

There isn’t a singular standard for what’s “skimpy” or “slutty.” And I’m sure you’ve noticed that clothing can be quite sexy and provocative without showing much skin at all. See examples here, here and here.

So perhaps it’s not so much about the clothes but the bodies in them.

(Female bodies, that is).

So there’s nothing about clothing or lack thereof, in itself, that “causes” rape. It’s the value system that places all the pressure of preventing rape on victims rather than on rapists, where it belongs, that makes clothing an issue.

Because nobody ever wears less clothing when it’s hot.

I just dont think that all date rape is caused by mentally deranged boys

Nor do I. Violence, willingness to assert power, a giant sense of entitlement, and total disregard for the feelings of your victim don’t have much at all to do with psychosis. Though they may in some cases have a good deal to do with sociopathy.

Like I said in my post, it is not ok for people to rape

That’s probably the one sensible line in your entire post.

because there are so many assholes in the world, why would you let your daughter wear something skimpy and dress like a whore, possibly lending to the act?

Two points. One: a rapist will rape no matter what the victim is wearing. The “short skirt” excuse is just that — an excuse, as if a miniskirt suddenly absolves a criminal for his crime. What a powerful talisman that piece of clothing is! Two: even if someone does sell sex, if they don’t consent to you having sex with them, that’s still rape. So even dressing like a “whore” doesn’t mean someone is fair game.

I can control myself,

Thank goodness for small favours.

I am not shifting blame to the victim, as you would love to believe

Actually, you are. Side note: facts aren’t things you “believe.” Delusions are. As in, you believe that clothing has the power to turn a blameless man into a rapist.

but what better fun than to shit on a guy, right?

Well, truth be told, the fun we’re having here is on shitting on an idiot, but I digress.

To use the weather as an excuse for a young teens to wear skimpy clothing is comical at best.

To use skimpy clothing as an excuse to rape young teens is psychotic and criminal at best.

Why isn’t it so hard to take in that wearing skimpy clothes could increase the risk of date rape?

Actually, you might just possibly be right, because a rapist will think, just like you do, that since she’s wearing skimpy clothing, she waives all rights to not being raped. Congratulations. You think like a rapist.

To think that horniness does not play a factor, at least in some way, is ridiculous

There are plenty of men who get off sexually on overpowering an unwilling victim. They are known as rapists.

I just dont think that all date rape is caused by mentally deranged boys

I’m sure plenty of it is caused by products of a society that tells them, “‘No’ means ‘you haven’t convinced me yet/yes but I’m worried about looking like a slut if I say yes’” Or, “A miniskirt means she’s fair game.” Or, “If she’s ever said ‘yes’ to sex to you, or even anyone, before, she doesn’t have the right to say no.” You know, normal parts of growing up a boy, and boys will be boys! That’s not psychotic at all. That’s normal!

Maybe I should have just come out and said, “slutty looking young female teenagers probably shouldn’t dress that way around horny young male teenagers”

You need to finish your sentence: “…because horny young male teenagers are budding rapists looking for a socially acceptable excuse to force sex on someone and the skimpy clothing is exactly what they need.” There we go. It makes more sense now.

I’ll dumb my posts down so that you don’t have to take anything I say in my posts in context or actually follow my train of thought.

There’s a bit of a problem you’ll have with that: you’ve already hit rock bottom as far as stupidity goes — you can’t possibly go any further.

That being said, there are some great thinkers on this site and to those of you who “got” my post I apologize for the last statement in the previous paragraph.

Oh, we “get” your post. You’re saying you believe clothing is powerful enough to turn a man into a rapist, even if the same man would not have raped the same girl in the same circumstances if she’d been wearing a long flannel shirt and baggy jeans, and you want us to believe that when this happens, it’s the fault of the clothing, not the man. See? Reading comprehension good!