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  1. Trickish Knave
    Trickish Knave May 20, 2006 at 12:17 am |

    Women dressed like sluts, drunk, out of control men, alleged rape. This seems vaguely familiar a topic.

    “Why are college guys having stripper drunken parties? That’s conduct unbecoming sensible young men.”

    Why? Is this woman high or just trolling for a reason to end up on ‘The Biggest Oxymoron of the Year’ quote list? Next thing you know she’ll be shaking her finger at some sailors in Thailand buying some hookers.

    Jill, I think your degree compliments the substance your posts; it must make you more sensitive to the subject matter. I caught the transparent comment contrasting the two similar events- one ending up with just some naughty pictures, the other with a huge mess. I’m sure there are volumes written on that observation.

  2. Hugo
    Hugo May 20, 2006 at 8:47 am |

    Oh man. The old, hoary lie, beautifully expressed:

    It’s not beyond the call of duty for women to encourage men to be gentlemen. It’s women’s work

    Lopez calls herself a Catholic — and yet the Catholic tradition has always called men to radical self-control. Indeeed, the misogyny of the early church fathers made it clear that not only were women not expected to help men overcome their weakness, women were, in fact, weaker than men. In addition to being anti-feminist, the notion that men need women in order to civilize them is at odds with both Scripture and centuries of Christian tradition.

    I’ll try and post next week about why it’s so fundamentally different when women hire a male stripper than when men hire a female one. I’m sure most of y’all can figure out why, so it might not even be worth it.

  3. zuzu
    zuzu May 20, 2006 at 10:07 am |

    I guess she’s never hired a male stripper, or been at a party where a male stripper is performing for a bunch of women.

    I’ve been to a few; in college, my friends and I even got a student to perform for the princely sum of $40 (hey, it was all we could scrape together) for a surprise party. The dynamic is very different than when you have a bunch of men hiring a female stripper. There’s no expectation of sexual acts with the stripper for a little extra cash, for example, and the fun is in being naughty with your friends and letting loose for once, with no men around but the bouncers and the stripper. There’s no real menace, because no matter how much they’re whooping and hollering and drinking, women aren’t going to, say, gang-rape a male stripper. Even if he does a little lap-dance type of thing for you, the goal is not for you to get off; the goal is for you to have fun (and for your friends to have fun watching you).

  4. Lauren
    Lauren May 20, 2006 at 10:15 am |

    Nothing quite like having a dollar picked up off your face with a man’s ass, banana hammock included. And having your friends fall over laughing at your discomfort.

  5. Michelle
    Michelle May 20, 2006 at 11:07 am |

    Conservative Dad obviously thinks there’s something wrong with his sons behaviour if he doesn’t want his daughter acting like them, but apparently doesn’t see any harm in letting them loose on society. Hopefully his daughter will be no more likely to listen to this independent source than she does her dad.

  6. jenofiniquity
    jenofiniquity May 20, 2006 at 1:05 pm |

    The part of this that really makes my head hurt is Jill’s observation that feminists are blamed for wanting to “feminize” society but are also blamed for fomenting a culture of license that leads to women acting more like men. So feminizing the culture is a good, but only if the right women are trying to do it. Or something. Kathryn Jean really deserves a boot in the ass for being so unreflective.

  7. Anne
    Anne May 20, 2006 at 1:26 pm |

    Jenofiniquity, it’s easier if you just think “Everything bad is due to feminists, even if the bad things contradict each other. They are still bad and bad things are due to feminists, even if I don’t understand what feminism actually is.”

  8. the15th
    the15th May 20, 2006 at 4:38 pm |

    Feminists support both genders’ right to behave in non-sex-stereotyped ways. Men are the only part of society that matters to this kind of conservative (and there are a nonnegligible number of left-wing men who think like this too), so feminists are “feminizing” society.

  9. firefalluk
    firefalluk May 21, 2006 at 12:57 pm |

    And as for following the “feminine calling,” that’s why she’s spending her days writing for the National Review, instead of, say, going home, having babies and baking cupcakes (two of the three of which I did today, because I’m a lady).

    Jill, you have to lay off having more babies, the apartment is filling up…

    as for the NR review, it really is breathtakingly unaware. Where do they get these people from?

  10. bmmg39
    bmmg39 May 24, 2006 at 12:02 am |

    “There’s no real menace, because no matter how much they’re whooping and hollering and drinking, women aren’t going to, say, gang-rape a male stripper.”

    Oh, really? You think the women at these events act like angels?

    Look, moves have been put on me while no one was drinking and I was fully clothed. (And I don’t consider myself “hot” by a long shot.) So what makes everyone so sure that women are any more responsible in this area than men are? Don’t you see? KJL is perpetuating a double standard that’s insulting to men (that they need women to reform them) and unfair to women. You’re just presenting the other side of that same coin.

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