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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; More Fat (Politics)</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46655</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; More Fat (Politics)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 	 			More Fat (Politics) Posted by zuzu @ 10:55 am  	 			 					This is a follow-up to my post on fat jokes in the liberal blogosphere, in which I shamelessly ripped off th [...]</description>
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 			More Fat (Politics)<br />
 Posted by zuzu @ 10:55 am </p>
<p> 					This is a follow-up to my post on fat jokes in the liberal blogosphere, in which I shamelessly ripped off th [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46608</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 22:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is great. I bristle when I hear people call Rush Limbaugh a &quot;fat slob&quot; or insinuate that Ann Coulter is a hermaphrodite because a.) we shouldn&#039;t put people down for people overweight or being of indeterminate gender in the first place and b.) of all the things to latch onto and criticize, why not intelligently counter a specific argument that they&#039;ve made and maybe actually influence a few people?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is great. I bristle when I hear people call Rush Limbaugh a &#8220;fat slob&#8221; or insinuate that Ann Coulter is a hermaphrodite because a.) we shouldn&#8217;t put people down for people overweight or being of indeterminate gender in the first place and b.) of all the things to latch onto and criticize, why not intelligently counter a specific argument that they&#8217;ve made and maybe actually influence a few people?</p>
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		<title>By: Dilan Esper</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46577</link>
		<dc:creator>Dilan Esper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 18:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the argument that some of the people who the right trots out to make arguments against abortion and contraception, in favor of sodomy laws, against gays having sex with each other, against anyone having sex with each other outside of marriage, etc., are people who may not get too many opportunities to do such things anyway and are basically intent on ruining it for the rest of us? (George Carlin, I believe, has a more vulgar and funny version of the same point.) Someone like Maggie Gallagher comes to mind.

Is that argument out of bounds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the argument that some of the people who the right trots out to make arguments against abortion and contraception, in favor of sodomy laws, against gays having sex with each other, against anyone having sex with each other outside of marriage, etc., are people who may not get too many opportunities to do such things anyway and are basically intent on ruining it for the rest of us? (George Carlin, I believe, has a more vulgar and funny version of the same point.) Someone like Maggie Gallagher comes to mind.</p>
<p>Is that argument out of bounds?</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46565</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 17:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course I realize he wasn&#039;t being serious.  But I am questioning his choice of terminology, and the unexamined assumptions behind them.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I realize he wasn&#8217;t being serious.  But I am questioning his choice of terminology, and the unexamined assumptions behind them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No!</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46563</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 17:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But when she talks about abortion, or religion, or what have you, why is the first weapon in the arsenal a fat joke?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm, I&#039;m not sure the K-Lo &quot;fat joke&quot; is the &quot;first weapon&quot; on S,N!, though I&#039;d have to read more of the archives than even I&#039;m willing to do now to determine whether that&#039;s true or not. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;and then to suggest we need skanks of our own? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can&#039;t possibly think Brad was seriously suggesting the left needs to do this. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But when she talks about abortion, or religion, or what have you, why is the first weapon in the arsenal a fat joke?</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm, I&#8217;m not sure the K-Lo &#8220;fat joke&#8221; is the &#8220;first weapon&#8221; on S,N!, though I&#8217;d have to read more of the archives than even I&#8217;m willing to do now to determine whether that&#8217;s true or not. </p>
<blockquote><p>and then to suggest we need skanks of our own? </p></blockquote>
<p>You can&#8217;t possibly think Brad was seriously suggesting the left needs to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46542</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 14:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Chris was really eloquent. I wish he had picked a different bloggo to mention. Obviously stuff can get out of hand sometimes at S,N! but it is a good crowd, and I wouldn’t want them to get a bad rap.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We should be able to turn a critical eye on ourselves and our friends, and we should be able to know that our friends are also our allies -- that they will listen to our objections and try to understand them and try to change their assumptions.  The lack of that was what made the Kos pie fight and now the Aravosis &quot;big girl&quot; thing so frustrating -- in both cases, it would have blown over had the person being challenged acknowledged the legitimacy of the complaint (even if he didn&#039;t agree) rather than simply get defensive and lash out at the critics while minimizing their issues (i.e., making statements that &quot;I can&#039;t believe there are all these *important* things to talk about and you want to talk about sexism&quot;).

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m too lazy to dig up the links but I have read comments from K-Lo making an issue of other women’s appearance. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And in that case, she makes herself fair game.  But when she talks about abortion, or religion, or what have you, why is the first weapon in the arsenal a fat joke?

Squid2, I find both of those examples objectionable.  Why reduce women to whores and skanks?  The second one is a bit better than the first, because it does directly deal with the way that the right-wing noise machine gets its odious messages out by putting them in the mouths of Right-Wing Barbies, but is it really necessary to call them skanks -- and then to suggest we need skanks of our own?  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Chris was really eloquent. I wish he had picked a different bloggo to mention. Obviously stuff can get out of hand sometimes at S,N! but it is a good crowd, and I wouldn’t want them to get a bad rap.</p></blockquote>
<p>We should be able to turn a critical eye on ourselves and our friends, and we should be able to know that our friends are also our allies &#8212; that they will listen to our objections and try to understand them and try to change their assumptions.  The lack of that was what made the Kos pie fight and now the Aravosis &#8220;big girl&#8221; thing so frustrating &#8212; in both cases, it would have blown over had the person being challenged acknowledged the legitimacy of the complaint (even if he didn&#8217;t agree) rather than simply get defensive and lash out at the critics while minimizing their issues (i.e., making statements that &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe there are all these *important* things to talk about and you want to talk about sexism&#8221;).</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m too lazy to dig up the links but I have read comments from K-Lo making an issue of other women’s appearance. </p></blockquote>
<p>And in that case, she makes herself fair game.  But when she talks about abortion, or religion, or what have you, why is the first weapon in the arsenal a fat joke?</p>
<p>Squid2, I find both of those examples objectionable.  Why reduce women to whores and skanks?  The second one is a bit better than the first, because it does directly deal with the way that the right-wing noise machine gets its odious messages out by putting them in the mouths of Right-Wing Barbies, but is it really necessary to call them skanks &#8212; and then to suggest we need skanks of our own?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon C.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46540</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 14:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not peddling anything, just giving credit where it&#039;s due. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not peddling anything, just giving credit where it&#8217;s due.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46539</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 14:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It’s good to see you guys owning up to the intolerance on your own side for a change.&lt;/em&gt;

Jon, I&#039;ve been saying shit like this since the early 1970s. Peddle your talking points at someone who&#039;ll buy them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s good to see you guys owning up to the intolerance on your own side for a change.</em></p>
<p>Jon, I&#8217;ve been saying shit like this since the early 1970s. Peddle your talking points at someone who&#8217;ll buy them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon C.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46537</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 14:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;. So, pointing out that by her own logic, she, being a Filipina, should be racially profiled because of the existence of Islamic terror groups in the Philippines is fair play...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, Malkin has freely admitted that she has no problem with Filipinos, even herself, being subjected to heightened scrutiny for security purposes. &lt;a href=&quot;http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005189.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;See here&lt;/a&gt; for an example. 

Oh, and ditto the recent condemnation here of racist slurs made by the left. It&#039;s good to see you guys owning up to the intolerance on your own side for a change. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. So, pointing out that by her own logic, she, being a Filipina, should be racially profiled because of the existence of Islamic terror groups in the Philippines is fair play&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, Malkin has freely admitted that she has no problem with Filipinos, even herself, being subjected to heightened scrutiny for security purposes. <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005189.htm" rel="nofollow">See here</a> for an example. </p>
<p>Oh, and ditto the recent condemnation here of racist slurs made by the left. It&#8217;s good to see you guys owning up to the intolerance on your own side for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: squid2</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/21/fat-jokes/#comment-46529</link>
		<dc:creator>squid2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 13:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is this &quot;okay&quot; or not?

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002036.html

How about this?

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002444.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is this &#8220;okay&#8221; or not?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002036.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002036.html</a></p>
<p>How about this?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002444.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002444.html</a></p>
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