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	<title>Comments on: So Much For Rick Warren Being a Warm-and-Fuzzy Evangelical</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More lies from those who hate Christianity for whatever reason. Your description of this game is absolutely inaccurate. Well- of you don&#039;t have to be concerned with &quot;Thou Shalt Not Lie&quot; I guess the truth really does not matter. Another fine example of the &quot;open mindedness&quot; of the left... 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More lies from those who hate Christianity for whatever reason. Your description of this game is absolutely inaccurate. Well- of you don&#8217;t have to be concerned with &#8220;Thou Shalt Not Lie&#8221; I guess the truth really does not matter. Another fine example of the &#8220;open mindedness&#8221; of the left&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Layman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Layman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The report is very inaccurate, especially the reference to Talk2Action. The game does not have the player try to establish a theocracy or kill people who don’t convert. In fact, you are penalized for killing people, even though Christian forces are fighting against the anti-Christ’s army.

See more about the nature of the game, with quotes from secular reviewers who have actually played it:

http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2006/06/truth-about-left-behind-video-game.html 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report is very inaccurate, especially the reference to Talk2Action. The game does not have the player try to establish a theocracy or kill people who don’t convert. In fact, you are penalized for killing people, even though Christian forces are fighting against the anti-Christ’s army.</p>
<p>See more about the nature of the game, with quotes from secular reviewers who have actually played it:</p>
<p><a href="http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2006/06/truth-about-left-behind-video-game.html" rel="nofollow">http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2006/06/truth-about-left-behind-video-game.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Machiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Machiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a conservative Christian myself (I know, horrors! :D) your description of this game struck me as somewhat unbelievable.  So I went and read all the primary documents I could find concerning this game, and have concluded that it is not quite as bad as you make it out to be.  Although I&#039;m not so sure it is good, either.

The story behind the game seems to be that two forces are fighting (the Christians vs. the minions of the anti-Christ) and the people you are trying to &quot;win to Jesus&quot; are neutral.  I.e., you don&#039;t kill them simply because they don&#039;t convert.  The people you fight are the evil minions of the Anti-Christ, who are both trying to kill you and take over the world/subjugate everyone to their sinister yoke.  So if you are allowed to fight against anyone, the minions seem like worthy opponents.

That said, I&#039;ve never been much of a fan of apocalyptic fiction, or even trying to figure out what Daniel or the author of Revelation was on about.  I figure we&#039;ll see it when it gets here, and wild guesses or fictionalization of the end times will only serve to mislead and confuse.

This is the first I&#039;ve heard of this game, but the hysteria I&#039;ve read about it here, at Pandagon, etc. seems way overblown.  In the milieu of the game, the protagonists are fighting against the minions of Darkness, not their intransigent next-door neighbors.  Kill the daemonic minions, convert your neighbors.  Not exactly a game I&#039;d buy for my kids, but hardly the offense against civilization that some here are making it out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a conservative Christian myself (I know, horrors! :D) your description of this game struck me as somewhat unbelievable.  So I went and read all the primary documents I could find concerning this game, and have concluded that it is not quite as bad as you make it out to be.  Although I&#8217;m not so sure it is good, either.</p>
<p>The story behind the game seems to be that two forces are fighting (the Christians vs. the minions of the anti-Christ) and the people you are trying to &#8220;win to Jesus&#8221; are neutral.  I.e., you don&#8217;t kill them simply because they don&#8217;t convert.  The people you fight are the evil minions of the Anti-Christ, who are both trying to kill you and take over the world/subjugate everyone to their sinister yoke.  So if you are allowed to fight against anyone, the minions seem like worthy opponents.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ve never been much of a fan of apocalyptic fiction, or even trying to figure out what Daniel or the author of Revelation was on about.  I figure we&#8217;ll see it when it gets here, and wild guesses or fictionalization of the end times will only serve to mislead and confuse.</p>
<p>This is the first I&#8217;ve heard of this game, but the hysteria I&#8217;ve read about it here, at Pandagon, etc. seems way overblown.  In the milieu of the game, the protagonists are fighting against the minions of Darkness, not their intransigent next-door neighbors.  Kill the daemonic minions, convert your neighbors.  Not exactly a game I&#8217;d buy for my kids, but hardly the offense against civilization that some here are making it out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, as I understand it premillennialism is divided into Dispensationalist a la LaHaye and historical premillennialists:

Dispensationalist PreMs expect first the Rapture, then the rise of the AntiChrist through seven years of Tribulation, then Armageddon before Christ returns and brings on the millennium of peace for the born-again before the final judgement.  Historical PreMs go for first the Tribulation, with a secret Rapture during the seven years of the Anti-Christ&#039;s rule, with the raptured returning to Earth with Christ to share in the thousand year rule of Heaven.

Postmillennialists believe that the Kingdom of God on Earth has to be established by believers for a thousand years before Christ will return.  It&#039;s also split, between Revivalist PostMs (evangelicals) and Reconstructionist PostMs (theocrats).

There seems to be a worrying convergence of theocratic tendencies between the Dispensationalist PreMs and the Reconstructionist PostMs - I guess they figure that whether the Second Coming is before or after the thousand-year Kingdom of Heaven, the theocracy will be the right thing to do for Christ&#039;s return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, as I understand it premillennialism is divided into Dispensationalist a la LaHaye and historical premillennialists:</p>
<p>Dispensationalist PreMs expect first the Rapture, then the rise of the AntiChrist through seven years of Tribulation, then Armageddon before Christ returns and brings on the millennium of peace for the born-again before the final judgement.  Historical PreMs go for first the Tribulation, with a secret Rapture during the seven years of the Anti-Christ&#8217;s rule, with the raptured returning to Earth with Christ to share in the thousand year rule of Heaven.</p>
<p>Postmillennialists believe that the Kingdom of God on Earth has to be established by believers for a thousand years before Christ will return.  It&#8217;s also split, between Revivalist PostMs (evangelicals) and Reconstructionist PostMs (theocrats).</p>
<p>There seems to be a worrying convergence of theocratic tendencies between the Dispensationalist PreMs and the Reconstructionist PostMs &#8211; I guess they figure that whether the Second Coming is before or after the thousand-year Kingdom of Heaven, the theocracy will be the right thing to do for Christ&#8217;s return.</p>
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		<title>By: Larvatus Prodeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larvatus Prodeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Goose: Gander&lt;/strong&gt;

In a timely fashion considering Kim&#039;s response to Tim Blair&#039;s baiting about whether progressives would condemn abstinence-only sex-education at a Muslim school in Australia in the same way as when it&#039;s advocated by Christians (yes, of course we woul...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Goose: Gander</strong></p>
<p>In a timely fashion considering Kim&#8217;s response to Tim Blair&#8217;s baiting about whether progressives would condemn abstinence-only sex-education at a Muslim school in Australia in the same way as when it&#8217;s advocated by Christians (yes, of course we woul&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; Question</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; Question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] :04 pm  	 			 					So, it occurs to me that I&#8217;ve been writing things like, &#8220;We&#8217;re on the road  to Gilead&amp;# [...]</description>
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<p> 					So, it occurs to me that I&#8217;ve been writing things like, &#8220;We&#8217;re on the road  to Gilead&amp;# [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mentis Fugit</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/30/so-much-for-rick-warren-being-a-warm-and-fuzzy-evangelical/#comment-47404</link>
		<dc:creator>Mentis Fugit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Note also that simply changing “Christian” to “Muslim” in the above-quoted paragraph would have pundits and lawmakers and a hell of a lot of other people up in arms.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I offer, in partial support of your assertion:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.watercoolergames.org/archives/000555.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Confirmed: US Representatives shown parody videogame as evidence of terrorist activities&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Note also that simply changing “Christian” to “Muslim” in the above-quoted paragraph would have pundits and lawmakers and a hell of a lot of other people up in arms.</p></blockquote>
<p>I offer, in partial support of your assertion:<br />
<a href="http://www.watercoolergames.org/archives/000555.shtml" rel="nofollow">Confirmed: US Representatives shown parody videogame as evidence of terrorist activities</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/05/30/so-much-for-rick-warren-being-a-warm-and-fuzzy-evangelical/#comment-47351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one hand, I want to point out that Warren&#039;s involvement in this project is hardly direct. On the other, even the more ostensibly moderate evangelicals like Warren have to walk the fine line, especially where book sales depend on LaHaye&#039;s readers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one hand, I want to point out that Warren&#8217;s involvement in this project is hardly direct. On the other, even the more ostensibly moderate evangelicals like Warren have to walk the fine line, especially where book sales depend on LaHaye&#8217;s readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glaivester, it is my understanding that dominionism is inherently postmillenialist, depending on their jack-booted forces to bring on the second coming.  However, as I said, I&#039;m concerned that people could make that doctrinal jump from waiting for the rapture to bringing on the kingdom -- which of course would happen over, literally, my dead body and those of my family.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glaivester, it is my understanding that dominionism is inherently postmillenialist, depending on their jack-booted forces to bring on the second coming.  However, as I said, I&#8217;m concerned that people could make that doctrinal jump from waiting for the rapture to bringing on the kingdom &#8212; which of course would happen over, literally, my dead body and those of my family.</p>
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		<title>By: The Liberal Avenger  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; There simply is no difference</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Liberal Avenger  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; There simply is no difference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 06:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  the Lord, as they blow infidels away. 	This has been extensively covered by Pandagon and Feministe- from the latter of whom I [...]</p>
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