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		<title>By: Internal Monologue</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/19/feminist-politics-of-blowjobs/#comment-50872</link>
		<dc:creator>Internal Monologue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Spotlight Lesbianism: girls kissing girls for guys</strong></p>
<p>It has been far too long since Internal Monologue engaged in some gratuitous titillation thinly disguised with a veneer of social criticism. But upon finding this article on the phenomenon of “spotlight lesbianism” (my term! I invented it! I hereby c&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mamacita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mamacita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see Christopher Hitchens article in &quot;Vanity Fair&quot; this month?  It&#039;s about &quot;America&#039;s Signature Sexual Act&quot; the blowjob.  Here is the permalink to my post about it:http://www.mamacitaonline.com/2006/06/go_down_on_christopher_hitchens.php . &lt;strong&gt; Mucho macho,&lt;/strong&gt; I had some fun with it.  My view is that as a way for teenagers to avoid pressure by boys for intercourse, it&#039;s not reciprocal and it does exploit them. Otherwise, sexual pleasure between adults will have roots in our &lt;em&gt;heads&lt;/em&gt;...and it will be complicated in some cases.  The behavior will be complicated, sometimes &quot;good&quot; for the participants, both of them, sometimes &quot;bad,&quot; unfortunately.  It will be part of the human spectrum but not necessarily humane.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see Christopher Hitchens article in &#8220;Vanity Fair&#8221; this month?  It&#8217;s about &#8220;America&#8217;s Signature Sexual Act&#8221; the blowjob.  Here is the permalink to my post about it:<a href="http://www.mamacitaonline.com/2006/06/go_down_on_christopher_hitchens.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.mamacitaonline.com/2006/06/go_down_on_christopher_hitchens.php</a> . <strong> Mucho macho,</strong> I had some fun with it.  My view is that as a way for teenagers to avoid pressure by boys for intercourse, it&#8217;s not reciprocal and it does exploit them. Otherwise, sexual pleasure between adults will have roots in our <em>heads</em>&#8230;and it will be complicated in some cases.  The behavior will be complicated, sometimes &#8220;good&#8221; for the participants, both of them, sometimes &#8220;bad,&#8221; unfortunately.  It will be part of the human spectrum but not necessarily humane.</p>
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		<title>By: Countertop Dancing  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Sex and Feminism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Countertop Dancing  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Sex and Feminism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mission in the act, about women&#8217;s sexual choices, and (the one I jive with the most) Jill&#8217;s post about how to mesh the need to respect individua [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mission in the act, about women&#8217;s sexual choices, and (the one I jive with the most) Jill&#8217;s post about how to mesh the need to respect individua [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; Those Never-Ending Mommy Wars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; Those Never-Ending Mommy Wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  go after the system that limits real choice for all women (I&#8217;ll call this my &#8220;blowjob theory&#8220;). Recognize that one can make a whole slew  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  go after the system that limits real choice for all women (I&#8217;ll call this my &#8220;blowjob theory&#8220;). Recognize that one can make a whole slew  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Jill! We may differ on many issues, but you nailed that one to the wall.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Jill! We may differ on many issues, but you nailed that one to the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, how about we talk about womenâ€™s persistent disadvantage in wages?

How about we talk about the declining access to birth control and abortions?

How about we talk about the oppression and ostracism of gays, lesbians, and transsexuals simply to get the Bible-bangers to the polls?

Eh, fuck it. I guess you can just be an asshole, instead, Piny. None of the rest of that shit must be very important, if whether or not you have to turn in your Feminist License if a dick enters your mouth is the issue that inflames the feminist blogosphere. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, because we never talk about anything other than blowjobs over here. Have you actually read this blog? 

As for all that other stuff, which gets 90% of the coverage on feminist blogs, it doesn&#039;t inflame the feminist blogosphere &lt;em&gt;because we all pretty much agree on those issues&lt;/em&gt;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, how about we talk about womenâ€™s persistent disadvantage in wages?</p>
<p>How about we talk about the declining access to birth control and abortions?</p>
<p>How about we talk about the oppression and ostracism of gays, lesbians, and transsexuals simply to get the Bible-bangers to the polls?</p>
<p>Eh, fuck it. I guess you can just be an asshole, instead, Piny. None of the rest of that shit must be very important, if whether or not you have to turn in your Feminist License if a dick enters your mouth is the issue that inflames the feminist blogosphere. </p></blockquote>
<p>Right, because we never talk about anything other than blowjobs over here. Have you actually read this blog? </p>
<p>As for all that other stuff, which gets 90% of the coverage on feminist blogs, it doesn&#8217;t inflame the feminist blogosphere <em>because we all pretty much agree on those issues</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Youâ€™re absolutely right! Letâ€™s talk about anti-geek hate crimes instead.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, how about we talk about women&#039;s persistent disadvantage in wages?

How about we talk about the declining access to birth control and abortions?

How about we talk about the oppression and ostracism of gays, lesbians, and transsexuals simply to get the Bible-bangers to the polls?

Eh, fuck it. I guess you can just be an asshole, instead, Piny. None of the rest of that shit must be very important, if whether or not you have to turn in your Feminist License if a dick enters your mouth is the issue that inflames the feminist blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Youâ€™re absolutely right! Letâ€™s talk about anti-geek hate crimes instead.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, how about we talk about women&#8217;s persistent disadvantage in wages?</p>
<p>How about we talk about the declining access to birth control and abortions?</p>
<p>How about we talk about the oppression and ostracism of gays, lesbians, and transsexuals simply to get the Bible-bangers to the polls?</p>
<p>Eh, fuck it. I guess you can just be an asshole, instead, Piny. None of the rest of that shit must be very important, if whether or not you have to turn in your Feminist License if a dick enters your mouth is the issue that inflames the feminist blogosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please excuse the typos.  I typed submitted that without a proofread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please excuse the typos.  I typed submitted that without a proofread.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Null, the personal is political.  We live in a culture that bombards us with rules about gender roles, including lots of rules about sex and sexuality.  These are, by and large, a huge catch-22.  The rules are mutually contradictory such that all women are always somehow in violation and liable to be held in contempt by someone.  In my view (and lots of feminists agree with me), examining and tearing down those rules is one of, if not the, key mission of feminism.  We may have a lot of disagreement about how to do that, but there you go.  Lots of women get the strong message that giving blowjobs is mandatory, and also the strong message that only sluts give blowjobs.  Lots of women get the message that they are not supposed to enjoy sex, or that they shouldn&#039;t enjoy sex except with a husband, or that sex is for procreation only.  Lots of women get the message that their orgasm is not important.  As feminists, we ought not to just expect that women will work through those issues in silence.  We ought to pull those messages and rules into the sunlight and examine them. 

I&#039;m a sadomasochist, but I don&#039;t think that just because lots of people do BDSM in different combinations it is not a feminist issue.  I and my partners are playing with power differentials in an erotic context.  If all we&#039;re doing is replicating women&#039;s subjugation in the largur culture in miniature, then that&#039;s a problem.  That&#039;s not the conclusion I come to, on the whole, but just saying that the area is unproductive for investigation seems to me intellectually unsupportable.  If some guys are replicating patriarchal messages that women are inherently subordinate and that their sexual needs are sinful and should be punished to get women to enter into 24/7 relationships that make them miserable and leave them feeling trapped and dependent, are we supposed to just wave our hands at is as though they make an election to be in that relationship against a cultural blank slate?  I don&#039;t think so.

That&#039;s a straight answer, and a Feminism 101 response, because I&#039;m extending you the charity of assuming you&#039;re asking on the square and not trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Null, the personal is political.  We live in a culture that bombards us with rules about gender roles, including lots of rules about sex and sexuality.  These are, by and large, a huge catch-22.  The rules are mutually contradictory such that all women are always somehow in violation and liable to be held in contempt by someone.  In my view (and lots of feminists agree with me), examining and tearing down those rules is one of, if not the, key mission of feminism.  We may have a lot of disagreement about how to do that, but there you go.  Lots of women get the strong message that giving blowjobs is mandatory, and also the strong message that only sluts give blowjobs.  Lots of women get the message that they are not supposed to enjoy sex, or that they shouldn&#8217;t enjoy sex except with a husband, or that sex is for procreation only.  Lots of women get the message that their orgasm is not important.  As feminists, we ought not to just expect that women will work through those issues in silence.  We ought to pull those messages and rules into the sunlight and examine them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a sadomasochist, but I don&#8217;t think that just because lots of people do BDSM in different combinations it is not a feminist issue.  I and my partners are playing with power differentials in an erotic context.  If all we&#8217;re doing is replicating women&#8217;s subjugation in the largur culture in miniature, then that&#8217;s a problem.  That&#8217;s not the conclusion I come to, on the whole, but just saying that the area is unproductive for investigation seems to me intellectually unsupportable.  If some guys are replicating patriarchal messages that women are inherently subordinate and that their sexual needs are sinful and should be punished to get women to enter into 24/7 relationships that make them miserable and leave them feeling trapped and dependent, are we supposed to just wave our hands at is as though they make an election to be in that relationship against a cultural blank slate?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a straight answer, and a Feminism 101 response, because I&#8217;m extending you the charity of assuming you&#8217;re asking on the square and not trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: ilyka</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilyka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But recognize that you do the same thing you criticize others for: you say what is feminism and what is not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, she isn&#039;t doing the same thing.  Look, this isn&#039;t hard:  The chief distinctions Jill made were--

&lt;blockquote&gt;Can a woman fight against reproductive rights and argue that women should stay in the kitchen and still be a feminist? Absolutely not, because those actions are contrary to feminist thought itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obviously if you favor &lt;i&gt;limiting the options of women in society&lt;/i&gt;, that isn&#039;t feminism.  But that isn&#039;t an arbitrary call made by Jill.  It&#039;s based on what feminism IS.  You wouldn&#039;t join the Anti-Defamation League and argue that we need to bring back concentration camps; likewise, you don&#039;t call yourself a feminist and then pen screeds about how bitches need to stay in the kitchen where they belong.

Like I said, it&#039;s not hard to work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But recognize that you do the same thing you criticize others for: you say what is feminism and what is not.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, she isn&#8217;t doing the same thing.  Look, this isn&#8217;t hard:  The chief distinctions Jill made were&#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>Can a woman fight against reproductive rights and argue that women should stay in the kitchen and still be a feminist? Absolutely not, because those actions are contrary to feminist thought itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously if you favor <i>limiting the options of women in society</i>, that isn&#8217;t feminism.  But that isn&#8217;t an arbitrary call made by Jill.  It&#8217;s based on what feminism IS.  You wouldn&#8217;t join the Anti-Defamation League and argue that we need to bring back concentration camps; likewise, you don&#8217;t call yourself a feminist and then pen screeds about how bitches need to stay in the kitchen where they belong.</p>
<p>Like I said, it&#8217;s not hard to work out.</p>
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