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	<title>Comments on: Subway Groping</title>
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		<title>By: PHLAF</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/27/subway-groping/#comment-51655</link>
		<dc:creator>PHLAF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch!  I like fast, painful retribution!  Besides, the guy had to yelp, and then everyone knew who he was and what he&#039;d been up to - again, break the anonymity factor and take charge and get in their faces, and guys like this probably think long and hard about doing it again.  

Two people have now mentioned the Lexington Ave. line - that&#039;s what I had to take from Grand Central up to 68th St. (I went to Dominican Academy).   Wonder if it&#039;s jinxed.  Or maybe it&#039;s because so many young girls, and particularly young Catholic girls were taking that line (Dominican Academy, St. Vincent Ferrar, and then further up, Loyola, Marymount and Sacred Heart, plus Hunter College and MMC).   I wonder if the powers that be will ever realize that sending a young girl out in the typical Catholic uniform is about as bad as sending her out in a G-string and pasties...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch!  I like fast, painful retribution!  Besides, the guy had to yelp, and then everyone knew who he was and what he&#8217;d been up to &#8211; again, break the anonymity factor and take charge and get in their faces, and guys like this probably think long and hard about doing it again.  </p>
<p>Two people have now mentioned the Lexington Ave. line &#8211; that&#8217;s what I had to take from Grand Central up to 68th St. (I went to Dominican Academy).   Wonder if it&#8217;s jinxed.  Or maybe it&#8217;s because so many young girls, and particularly young Catholic girls were taking that line (Dominican Academy, St. Vincent Ferrar, and then further up, Loyola, Marymount and Sacred Heart, plus Hunter College and MMC).   I wonder if the powers that be will ever realize that sending a young girl out in the typical Catholic uniform is about as bad as sending her out in a G-string and pasties&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/27/subway-groping/#comment-51633</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A woman wrote a LTTE to the Times yesterday in which she told the story of having been flashed while reading Tolstoy.  Since the offending bit was right above her book, she slammed all 1000 or so pages on it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A woman wrote a LTTE to the Times yesterday in which she told the story of having been flashed while reading Tolstoy.  Since the offending bit was right above her book, she slammed all 1000 or so pages on it.</p>
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		<title>By: PHLAF</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/27/subway-groping/#comment-51625</link>
		<dc:creator>PHLAF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other standard piece of advice we were given back in the day was to immediately grab the hand and pull it up and shout, &quot;Who belongs to this hand?&quot;

It is about anonymity and banking on the young to be vulnerable and insecure. 

There&#039;s something so vile about shattering young girls this way.  I recall being at a horse fair up in Vermont (where we had a summer house), and a man exposed himself to me.  I was 8.  That horrible, creepy, skincrawling, fear-filled feeling stayed with me for a long, long time, and even thinking about it now makes my stomach flip-flop.  And the shame, of course, since I had such conservative Catholic parents.  I knew I could never mention it to them.  And then, years later, when a girlfriend and I were near-molested (someone showed up unexpectedly on the scene and intervened) in the mailbox vestibule in our apartment building, she and I both knew we could never tell our parents - that it would be construed as the two of us having done something wrong. 

You put it behind you, though, and you get tougher.  Downside is you&#039;re always a little wary when it comes to men.  

But, as low on the ladder of sexual offenses as subway groping or flashing may &lt;i&gt;seem&lt;/i&gt; to an uninvolved person (compared to serial child rape, for example), it&#039;s just as bad.  It&#039;s all about destroying innocence and trust and confidence.  

All those catcalls and lewd comments and little &quot;accidental&quot; brush-ups and so forth take their toll after a while.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other standard piece of advice we were given back in the day was to immediately grab the hand and pull it up and shout, &#8220;Who belongs to this hand?&#8221;</p>
<p>It is about anonymity and banking on the young to be vulnerable and insecure. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s something so vile about shattering young girls this way.  I recall being at a horse fair up in Vermont (where we had a summer house), and a man exposed himself to me.  I was 8.  That horrible, creepy, skincrawling, fear-filled feeling stayed with me for a long, long time, and even thinking about it now makes my stomach flip-flop.  And the shame, of course, since I had such conservative Catholic parents.  I knew I could never mention it to them.  And then, years later, when a girlfriend and I were near-molested (someone showed up unexpectedly on the scene and intervened) in the mailbox vestibule in our apartment building, she and I both knew we could never tell our parents &#8211; that it would be construed as the two of us having done something wrong. </p>
<p>You put it behind you, though, and you get tougher.  Downside is you&#8217;re always a little wary when it comes to men.  </p>
<p>But, as low on the ladder of sexual offenses as subway groping or flashing may <i>seem</i> to an uninvolved person (compared to serial child rape, for example), it&#8217;s just as bad.  It&#8217;s all about destroying innocence and trust and confidence.  </p>
<p>All those catcalls and lewd comments and little &#8220;accidental&#8221; brush-ups and so forth take their toll after a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/27/subway-groping/#comment-51597</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, he didn&#039;t respond, but catching the brief look of shock and fear in his eyes made it more than worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, he didn&#8217;t respond, but catching the brief look of shock and fear in his eyes made it more than worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/27/subway-groping/#comment-51596</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if these asshats are more likely to view young women as more vulnerable, but I do know my own experience.  I never spoke up for myself when I was harassed or groped in New York.  Now that I&#039;m older, wiser, and have more experience, I absolutely stick up for myself.  Public sexual harassment and groping is much more unusual in Seattle, but, the last time it happened to me, I let the bastard have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if these asshats are more likely to view young women as more vulnerable, but I do know my own experience.  I never spoke up for myself when I was harassed or groped in New York.  Now that I&#8217;m older, wiser, and have more experience, I absolutely stick up for myself.  Public sexual harassment and groping is much more unusual in Seattle, but, the last time it happened to me, I let the bastard have it.</p>
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		<title>By: KnifeGhost</title>
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		<dc:creator>KnifeGhost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it. It&#039;s like they&#039;re hoping that by yelling &quot;whore&quot; she&#039;ll get confused and change her mind and have sex with him.

Or, in the &quot;Trust Christ&quot; guy&#039;s case, he thought it was a reasonable chastisement of immodesty, or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it. It&#8217;s like they&#8217;re hoping that by yelling &#8220;whore&#8221; she&#8217;ll get confused and change her mind and have sex with him.</p>
<p>Or, in the &#8220;Trust Christ&#8221; guy&#8217;s case, he thought it was a reasonable chastisement of immodesty, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/27/subway-groping/#comment-51545</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and had a van slow down, pull up almost onto the sidewalk next to me, have a man yell “WHORE” at me&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which reminds me.  How many men are deafened by the cognitive dissonance of yelling something lewd at you on the street, which you proceed to completely ignore, only to have them get pissed off because you dared to ignore them and then shout &quot;WHORE!&quot; at you?  I mean, WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and had a van slow down, pull up almost onto the sidewalk next to me, have a man yell “WHORE” at me</p></blockquote>
<p>Which reminds me.  How many men are deafened by the cognitive dissonance of yelling something lewd at you on the street, which you proceed to completely ignore, only to have them get pissed off because you dared to ignore them and then shout &#8220;WHORE!&#8221; at you?  I mean, WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/27/subway-groping/#comment-51538</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure it didn&#039;t say &quot;THRUST CHRIST&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure it didn&#8217;t say &#8220;THRUST CHRIST&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Ack Ack Ack Ack</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/06/27/subway-groping/#comment-51535</link>
		<dc:creator>Ack Ack Ack Ack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is his pilot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is his pilot.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
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		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and had a van slow down, pull up almost onto the sidewalk next to me, have a man yell “WHORE” at me, and speed off. That last made quite an impression on me, since stenciled in giant letters on the back were the words “TRUST CHRIST.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, obviously, he was offering to escort you safely home by making a reference to the Bible story in which Jesus saves the woman taken in adultery from stoning.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and had a van slow down, pull up almost onto the sidewalk next to me, have a man yell “WHORE” at me, and speed off. That last made quite an impression on me, since stenciled in giant letters on the back were the words “TRUST CHRIST.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, obviously, he was offering to escort you safely home by making a reference to the Bible story in which Jesus saves the woman taken in adultery from stoning.</p>
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