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  1. Freeman
    Freeman June 28, 2006 at 9:41 am |

    Damn them edumacated librul wimmins. Don’t they know they’re defyin’ Gawd’s Will?

    A disturbing corollary is the idea that intellectuals are slowly being bred out. There’s a scary thought as well.

  2. Em
    Em June 28, 2006 at 10:23 am |

    I’ve seen this meme everywhere lately and it makes no sense. Talk to any handful of liberals and at least half of them will have grown up in conservative circumstances and decided to live in opposition to the values they were raised with “Grew up Catholic, parents were Republican, grandfather was racist…” all those circumstances can and do produce liberals.

  3. Jivin J
    Jivin J June 28, 2006 at 10:49 am |

    Jill,
    Why didn’t you highlight the below section of the story? Or provide your thoughts on it? I’d be interested in your thoughts.

    California spends $124 on family planning for every woman in need, more than any other state except South Carolina and Alabama. The state’s Family PACT program offers teens and low-income couples easy access to free or affordable birth control. Yet California has one of the highest abortion rates in the country — the same rate as Nevada, which spends only $32 per woman in need, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

    Nebraska presents the opposite scenario. The Guttmacher Institute ranks it worst in the nation at helping poor women avoid unintended pregnancies. Yet Nebraska has one of the country’s lowest abortion rates.

  4. Kyra
    Kyra June 28, 2006 at 10:53 am |

    Phillips, a Republican, explained by e-mail: “It is my hope that reducing access to contraception for recreational users and those not prepared to parent will give them time to consider the consequences” of having sex.

    What, by creating those consequences? That’s in essence what he’s doing—denying people contraception and otherwise causing them to not use it will make it about fifty times more likely that they suffer an unwanted pregnancy. Because apparently people don’t “deserve” to have sex unless they want baybeees. It’s an insulting and sickening exercise in control—Jackass A (that’s Philips) and his Jackass Cohorts deliberately create a danger so that they coerce people to behave a certain way in exchange for avoiding it. What was it terrorists do again?

    Somebody ought to tell the moderate pro-lifers that the fringe feathers on their wing are destroying their credibility. Because I have just realized that the “pro-abortion” label they call us to demonize us may be in some cases both accurate and acceptable: people who are happy to repel (and destroy) uterine parasites sicced on people deliberately by the government, who use abortion as a means of preserving freedom that’s deliberately under attack on a personal level, are higher on the moral ladder, not lower, than the people who have so little concern for the LIFE they claim to so value that they use the unborn as pawns, deliberately putting millions of them at risk of being created where they aren’t wanted and are likely to be aborted, for punishing women for fucking without wanting babies. It is, of course, pro-abortion in the sense that universal healthcare is pro-life—not what they mean at all—but I think I’ll stop taking it as an insult. When they do things like this, what the hell do they expect?

    I mean, really, if they have so little concern for their precious unborn, who are they to complain when we, and the women burdened with them, don’t have more?

    Person A leaves something he knows Person B hates at Person B’s house, and Person B, upon finding it, throws it away. Whose fault is that? Duh. Person A should know better. You simply don’t put something valuable in someone else’s possession to annoy them, and expect them to keep it.

    I refute their Dred Scott analogy, and raise them one Quartering of Soldiers in Peacetime Without Consent from the Bill of Rights. This is no “everybody pitch in to help children that already exist” thing, it’s “let’s arrange for the creation of unwanted children specifically so people will be burdened with them.” Like troops in peacetime, there is no point other than harassment. Thank Gods for abortion.

  5. Ack Ack Ack Ack
    Ack Ack Ack Ack June 28, 2006 at 10:57 am |

    I’ve seen this meme everywhere lately and it makes no sense. Talk to any handful of liberals and at least half of them will have grown up in conservative circumstances and decided to live in opposition to the values they were raised with “Grew up Catholic, parents were Republican, grandfather was racist…” all those circumstances can and do produce liberals.

    I grew up in a decidely conservative household. However, I didn’t become a liberal as a means of rebellion (no matter what my parents think!); I find that to be a trivialization of my beliefs and who I am. Which is not to say my upbringing didn’t have a profound affect on who I am.

  6. Kristen from MA
    Kristen from MA June 28, 2006 at 12:05 pm |

    Jill,
    Why didn’t you highlight the below section of the story? Or provide your thoughts on it? I’d be interested in your thoughts.

    Jivin’ J, Jill has explained this issue before.

  7. Em
    Em June 28, 2006 at 12:24 pm |

    Poor choice of words. I wasn’t trying to suggest rebellion, just living opposite of how you were raised, in counter to Freeman’s suggestion that if liberals don’t reproduce, there won’t be any. Personally, it wasn’t a rebellion for me. In fact, it was very hard to do what I believed was right while carrying all the baggage about what I was taught was right.

  8. pmoney
    pmoney June 28, 2006 at 12:44 pm |

    Great post, Jill.
    I also just want to add that Kyra’s rant was the best I’ve heard in a long time. Love you, kyra!!!

  9. Jivin J
    Jivin J June 28, 2006 at 2:34 pm |

    Kristen,
    I remember her erronously thinking California’s and New York’s high abortion rates had to do with out-of-state individuals traveling to those states for abortions – but when I pointed specifically to New York’s high abortion rate for residents (not including out-of-staters) of New York, I don’t recall getting a reply.

  10. nik
    nik June 28, 2006 at 3:14 pm |

    The nation’s overall rate of unintended pregnancies held steady from the mid-1990s through 2001… [but while] women in the middle or upper class dramatically reduced unintended pregnancy and abortion rates. Among poor women, though, the unplanned pregnancy rate jumped nearly 30%.

    If I’m not mistaken the person in charge from the mid-1990s though 2001 was none other than William Jefferson Clinton. Can we really blame the conservatives for this? Was access to contaception restricted during this period? Am I missing something?

  11. Joe
    Joe June 28, 2006 at 4:14 pm |

    The president has very little to do with spending in these sorts of programs. The article targets mostly State Reps in more conservative locales.

  12. KnifeGhost
    KnifeGhost June 28, 2006 at 5:07 pm |

    Jivin J, those number don’t mean a damn thing unless we also include the rates of unwanted births.

  13. Kyra
    Kyra June 28, 2006 at 6:09 pm |

    I also just want to add that Kyra’s rant was the best I’ve heard in a long time. Love you, kyra!!!

    *takes slow, sweeping bow* Thanks pmoney. Wasn’t sure if I’d adequately translated the glowing light bulb in my head into words. Conservatives boggle the mind.

  14. kate
    kate June 28, 2006 at 8:12 pm |

    Nebraska presents the opposite scenario. The Guttmacher Institute ranks it worst in the nation at helping poor women avoid unintended pregnancies. Yet Nebraska has one of the country’s lowest abortion rates.

    What is not mentioned in your ‘stat’ is the number of women who decided or had to carry their pregnancy to term. The relationship to the availability of abortion also is not a factor considered in this ‘stat’ you provide.

    Gaydos said many of the women she interviewed simply didn’t see the urgency in going out of their way to prevent pregnancy. “There’s never going to be a perfect time to get pregnant,” she heard again and again. And: “Might as well let what happens, happen.”

    Also, what is not mentioned here, but which I have seen repeatedly among low income and poor women is guilt. The right wing campaign since Reagan to demonize women who have abortions or even use some forms of contraception has made its mark. Many women see an abortion the route of extreme scorn among their social group and could potentially label them as ‘selfish’ or whores and sluts. Combined with seeing no other role for themselves than as mothers and girlfriends/wives, why be a slut/whore or called selfish?

    Unlike the common middle class perception of lower income and poor peoples, most of them hold very socially conservative views. That they don’t act on all of them consistently (such as sex or childbirth after marriage only) has more to do with their willingness to accept the disruptions inherent in poverty to living the ideal life and the choices one often must make than a lack of ‘morals’ or values. For example: Man is in jail, can’t marry, need support, shack up soon with another man.

    Also, lower class society tends toward more patriarchal (see religion as I said above) oriented and thus, men see making babies and many of them a mark of status among their peers.

    A social system I see only created and aided and abetted by the Republican party and their theocratic friends.

  15. Jivin J
    Jivin J June 29, 2006 at 11:29 am |

    Knifeghost,
    They don’t mean a damn thing? Huh? Haven’t I been told over and over again by pro-choice organizations and bloggers that the real key to lowering the number of abortions is to promote and provide money for contraceptives?

    Yet here’s a situation where the leading state with regards to contraception has a high abortion rate while a not-so leading state with regards to contraception has a low abortion rate.

  16. kate
    kate June 29, 2006 at 6:00 pm |

    Yet here’s a situation where the leading state with regards to contraception has a high abortion rate while a not-so leading state with regards to contraception has a low abortion rate.

    Jivin: So then couldn’t one also infer that when women have the full choice of reproductive care available to them, abortion will at times be an option? Since it is apparent all over the country that when there is access there will be abortions, doesn’t the demand for this account for its importance? Or is what women want really unimportant?

    Also, I see you ignored my post earlier about how the your information fails to make a proper comparison, since everyone knows that abortions nearly everywhere except in large metropolitan areas are difficult to attain.

    Never mind also that more conservative states have even been fighting and i’m sure with some success, to shut down planned parenthood clinics that provide contraception and women’s health services at low cost?

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