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  1. Matt Browner-Hamlin
    Matt Browner-Hamlin July 14, 2006 at 6:59 am |

    I don’t know if you’re familiar with it, but SNL used to run a sketch with Dan Akroyd, Chris Farley, John Goodman, Mike Myers and I’m forgetting who else where they were all morbidly obese Chicago Bears fans. Farley would usually have a heart attack or two each skit and the commentary was punctuated by bouts of binge eating and drinking. It remains one of my favorite SNL running sketches. But I can’t imagine what it, or most other simplistic male comedy, would be if you could say this for men.

    Women’s denial of food is done under the same moral framework that the denial of sex is.

    I have to see, that sentence sounds like the worst fate in the world. Women get that, whereas the moral framework for men in regards to food and sex tends to be more in line with a Roman bacchanalia. Ye Olde Double Standard, hard at work.

  2. Dr. Brazen Hussy
    Dr. Brazen Hussy July 14, 2006 at 7:00 am |

    And does he think that women don’t eat chocolate now to alleviate PMS? Hell, I eat chocolate all the time, even without a PMS excuse.

    I also love the idea that if you tell women it’s ok to eat it, they will lose all self control and eat five of them a day. Because, you know, we’re all little children who can’t figure out how to take care of ourselves properly.

    Also, $3.69 each?

  3. Amber
    Amber July 14, 2006 at 7:17 am |

    Oh JUST what I wanted to read first thing this morning. Thanks Dad, thanks David Segal, for looking out for us and making sure our asses don’t get too fat. I bet you were nodding in agreement through that whole article about Nia, the schizophrenic who was finally cured of her tormenting symptoms, but gained weight as a result, what a TRAGEDY that was. Who’d rather be sane than fat?

    This is all so tied into the idea that the REAL concern for fat women is not about obesity but because it causes moral panic because the woman is OUT OF BOUNDS. Same as a sexually “promiscuous” woman. Amp posted about this a while ago here and I thought it was such a good article:

    It strikes me as intrinsically connected to both misogyny and homophobia, this. The terror that fat seems to inspire, the moral terror, seems rooted in the same fear and loathing that has traditionally been reserved for the promiscuous woman. She is not obeying. She is “out of bounds”–much like the fat that oozes over the sides of the airplane seat. Her problem is a surfeit of appetite–which is the reason that no matter what medical studies might actually show, people will continue to frame the problem of obesity wholly in terms of eating and of appetite.

    A great book to read on this whole notion of women’s appetites (what is enough? for food? for sex? for power? for posessions?) check out Appetites: Why Women Want by Caroline Knapp. Studies her own recovery from anorexia and alcoholism as well as social implications of the female appetite. Excellent read.

  4. Lya Kahlo
    Lya Kahlo July 14, 2006 at 7:55 am |

    I am so done with WaPo. If this sort of mean-spiritied, mysogynistic crap is what they consider worthy of publishing, I see no reason to continue my subscription. What a worthless waste of time this newspaper has become.

    The Middle East is erupting into all out war and all this moron cares about if the circumfrence of his s.o.’s waist? Just pump a little less air into your blowup doll, Segal, that’ll fix the problem.

  5. R. Mildred
    R. Mildred July 14, 2006 at 8:04 am |

    It’s a hunk of chocolate, designed specifically to alleviate the effects of premenstrual syndrome. (More than, say, a Snickers bar already does.) The irritability, the anxiety, the moodiness

    I love how all the effects are outward ones that might affect him, what about cramps, quesiness and head aches? It”s basically a chocolate happy pill that alleviates the male PMS problems.

  6. AB
    AB July 14, 2006 at 8:25 am |

    Oh, WaPo. I have such a love-hate relationship with you.

    This article definitely made me spit up my coffee a little yesterday morning. I couldn’t really imagine what in the hell the editors of the style section were thinking. Gross, gross, gross. But I’m also inclined to cut the paper a little slack, because they do certainly have a history of putting very out-there, not-what-you-would-expect-from-a-newspaper pieces in the style section. Sometimes this results in brilliance (a la Robin Givhan’s takedown of Dick Cheney’s outfit to the Holocaust memorial about a year ago). Sometimes it results in… this. Urgh.

  7. frumiousb
    frumiousb July 14, 2006 at 8:46 am |

    Oh Dog I just read the article on msnbc and had to flee to a feminist blog to stop my eyes from bleeding. The creater of the bar is not much better than the writer. She’s taken a bunch of pseudo-scientific nonsense and marketed it to women by taking advantage of their love-hate relationship with both food and PMS.

    And unless you have access to the medical records of all the thin women who you seen in American movies, television, fashion and advertising, I am going to have to ask that you add a disclaimer that you have insufficient evidence to diagnose them as anorexics and are making medical judgments based on looks alone.

  8. Cortneytree
    Cortneytree July 14, 2006 at 9:29 am |

    Thank God I have a man in my life, because, really, who else would be there to tap his foot demeaningly and scold me to stop me from ‘overindulging’? Is he serious? I cannot imagine any scenario in which my s.o. would have the GALL to say, “now honey, don’t you think you’ve had enough? Don’t want to get all chubby, do you?” Aside from the appalling double standard re: men and women and weight, just who the hell thinks they can talk to another ADULT like that? Your wife/girlfriend is not a child looking for an excuse to get to stay up late and munch Kit-Kat bars. She is an adult human being, who, so far it seems, has managed to live in this world without you watchdogging her diet. Isn’t it possible that she avoids gorging herself on chocolate bars not simply because it’s societally frowned upon, but that she avoids it because she’s somehow, in however many years of adulthood, developed an ounce of what we call SELF CONTROL? No one’s looking for a medicinal scapegoat here, and if you need one because your s.o. has such a strangle hold on your body image and diet that he won’t LET you otherwise, you have much larger problems than PMS.

  9. zuzu
    zuzu July 14, 2006 at 9:46 am | *

    So, anyone want to lay any bets on how long it’ll take *someone* to show up and start lecturing us about how unhealthy obesity is?

  10. Sara
    Sara July 14, 2006 at 9:49 am |

    The way that the production of different kinds of cheese is controlled in Europe is more of a brand protection thing than about any moral kind of devotion to the purity of what’s being grated over your salad. I’m wary of attaching a moral significance to the way that a person eats food. I love food and I love to cook but I don’t have to think I have some kind of mystical bond with it to eat wisely, for my diet to satisfy me, or any of the other things that will make me a good food person. Food is not a tool to be used to make you a good person, it’s a tool for making you not hungry. The only other significance I can attach to my diet is that it’s fun.

  11. Lynn Gazis-Sax
    Lynn Gazis-Sax July 14, 2006 at 10:06 am |

    I prefer my foods without a lot of medicinal herbs in them, because I don’t especially trust some random company’s idea of what the herbs are actually going to do. (On the other hand, if you do want to go herbal, The Honest Herbal and Rodale’s have good summaries of the research on various herbs.) But if there were a chocolate bar that I trusted to alleviate some significant medical symptom, I wouldn’t listen to anyone’s panic that I was doomed to lose all self-control and wind up weighing 300 pounds if I ate any of it.

  12. Amber
    Amber July 14, 2006 at 10:44 am |

    So, anyone want to lay any bets on how long it’ll take *someone* to show up and start lecturing us about how unhealthy obesity is?

    Waiting for Dilan Esper in 3…2….1…

    Yeah, I wanted to post about this (and the other recent fat blowup on Feministe) on my site today but I KNOW there would be at least two “well, to be honest obesity REALLY IS a health risk” comments and I just can’t take that right now. I posted about food instead haha.

  13. Medicine Man
    Medicine Man July 14, 2006 at 12:17 pm |

    Also, $3.69 each?

    If it works, this is dirt cheap. :)

  14. Medicine Man
    Medicine Man July 14, 2006 at 12:18 pm |

    Although… could a bloke really buy a crate of these for his lady without her taking it as a sly critique of her demeanor?

  15. piny
    piny July 14, 2006 at 12:22 pm |

    It’s a hunk of chocolate, designed specifically to alleviate the effects of premenstrual syndrome. (More than, say, a Snickers bar already does.) The irritability, the anxiety, the moodiness

    I love how all the effects are outward ones that might affect him, what about cramps, quesiness and head aches? It’’s basically a chocolate happy pill that alleviates the male PMS problems.

    This was really irritating. I had minor cramps (which were mostly constipation, really) and a little bit of loginess near the beginning. Some women are uncomfortable or downright miserable. And yet, he needs to reduce the issue to one of hysteria–solving an innate lack of control with a different kind of indulgence. Wonder why.

  16. Norah
    Norah July 14, 2006 at 12:42 pm |

    “I appreciate where you’re trying to go with this, but I don’t seem to have anything I can respond to with these things.”

    I can just hear Adrienna Kramer thinking “You fucking dick.”

  17. frumious b
    frumious b July 14, 2006 at 12:43 pm |

    Have you seen any actual anorexia sufferers? The “anorexic body” is a whole lot thinner than the body of your typical thin model. Even Terri Hatcher has several pounds on an anorexic woman. Our culture celebrates thinness, but hardly celebrates the appearance of anorexia sufferers.

  18. piny
    piny July 14, 2006 at 12:59 pm |

    Have you seen any actual anorexia sufferers? The “anorexic body” is a whole lot thinner than the body of your typical thin model. Even Terri Hatcher has several pounds on an anorexic woman. Our culture celebrates thinness, but hardly celebrates the appearance of anorexia sufferers.

    That’s at the extreme end of the disorder. It’s not true that all anorexia sufferers look thinner than Hatcher–who seems to be attracting so much attention as much because of recent extreme weight loss as natural extreme thinness–or that they even look really abnormal. The Olsen twin who did have an eating disorder looked really thin, but she didn’t enter living-skeleton range. She looked…a lot like Teri Hatcher.

    Here’s an article about a pro-ana website that uses pictures of fashion models for inspiration. This woman might not have an eating disorder, but she’s very thin.

  19. Julie
    Julie July 14, 2006 at 1:28 pm |

    My husband would be estatic if something like this worked…. I can admit, I turn downright mean right before my period. I remember right before my last period (which was awhile ago) screaming at my husband with tears running down my face because he had had the audacity to ask me why I had skipped lunch that day after I bitched for an hour about being hungry. I can’t imagine him saying something like “Oh, I think you should stop eating that, lest you get fat”. That guy sounds like a real winner.

  20. Amber
    Amber July 14, 2006 at 1:36 pm |

    Have you seen any actual anorexia sufferers? The “anorexic body” is a whole lot thinner than the body of your typical thin model. Even Terri Hatcher has several pounds on an anorexic woman. Our culture celebrates thinness, but hardly celebrates the appearance of anorexia sufferers.

    My question would be have YOU seen any actual anorexia sufferers? Yes, this can be the state in the extreme, last stages of the disease, but many anorectics are people you’d look at and think “they’re thin”, and they would be underweight for their height, but red flags wouldn’t go off.

    Many anorexic girls I’ve spoken to said they refused or hesitated to seek treatment because doctors had told them “you don’t look anorexic.” The stigma that anorectics are all walking skeletons is just not correct.

  21. Glaivester
    Glaivester July 14, 2006 at 3:37 pm |

    She’s taken a bunch of pseudo-scientific nonsense and marketed it to women by taking advantage of their love-hate relationship with both food and PMS.

    Love-hate relationship with food? Sure. But does anyone have a love-hate relationship with PMS?

    ow about, for instance, marketing a beer that supposedly fights baldness?

    “Okay, I don’t know what to do with that,” says Kramer, laughing.

    Hmmm. How about a cigar that allegedly freshens the breath and makes you pick up the underwear on the floor?

    “I appreciate where you’re trying to go with this, but I don’t seem to have anything I can respond to with these things.”

    When one exists, I’m sure it will be marketed. Worrying about why a product that does not exist is not being marketed the way that one that does exist is being marketed strikes me as odd.

  22. PLN
    PLN July 14, 2006 at 3:53 pm |

    I want to second Sara’s point–not all the institutional features of Europe’s food culture are necessarily desirable, and we should be careful about assuming that just because the whole package tends to make for better outcomes, each of the parts is good. The cultural attitude towards quality and meals as social events is probably great (I seem to recall some interesting research about the importance, for Americans, of having been raised in a family that shared family dinners), and more labeling is generally helpful, but as Sara said, many of the restrictions on what one can and can’t produce (to say nothing of the agricultural price supports and tariffs) are basically protectionist and serve to *raise*, not lower, prices.

  23. Erika
    Erika July 15, 2006 at 12:21 am |

    True, but real parmesan (even if it isn’t made in Parma) is still better than that powdered crap. I can’t believe that that stuff is actually cheese. It has to be petroleum based.

  24. Ledasmom
    Ledasmom July 15, 2006 at 10:25 pm |

    I seem to recall that, when I was in college, the campus satirical paper (which I think was called, for some reason that at that age made sense, the Rabid Squirrel) published a cartoon of “Period Chocolate”, with ibuprofen and other useful substances included.
    If the Wonder Bar were made in the form of heavily-buttered nearly-charcoalized toast, I’d be happy.

  25. Cassandra
    Cassandra July 16, 2006 at 2:53 pm |

    Although… could a bloke really buy a crate of these for his lady without her taking it as a sly critique of her demeanor?

    Well, if they’d been dating for a while and if she had specifically complained about PMS, then yes. Like, “Well, honey, I know you hate PMS almost as much as you love chocolate, so, voila!”

    My PMS was emotionally horrific about three or four years ago (I just finished high school so my mum got the brunt of it), I think because I was already going through a hard time emotionally and didn’t usually let myself see it unless the hormones tipped enough to make it all come out at once. Or something. Since then most of my yucky symptoms–cramps, pretty much–happen during the first few days of my period, and have gotten somewhat better, so PMS isn’t much of an issue. But if my mom had been able back then to say, “Cassandra, before we fight, have this chocolate,” I think we both would have had an easier time of it. That said, I agree that this product probably doesn’t work.

    And also the article I think might be the single most offensive article I’ve ever read, so, I’m just going to not comment anymore.

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