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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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Well, it never pays to underestimate the power of the internet. Gawker has the unflattering angle you were all looking for. Thanks (I think) to Chris for emailing the link.</description>
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<p>Well, it never pays to underestimate the power of the internet. Gawker has the unflattering angle you were all looking for. Thanks (I think) to Chris for emailing the link.</p>
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<p>Mariko finds that her partner has taken her secret fantasies to heart and arrnged for their friends to spend the night pleasuring her. Only it is not all pleasure for her.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: piercing</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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\&quot;Please be quiet,\&quot; James says. We\&#039;re surrounded on all sides by mothers and children.</description>
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<p>\&#8221;Please be quiet,\&#8221; James says. We\&#8217;re surrounded on all sides by mothers and children.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re How often pregnant teens tell their parents... The latest statistics I&#039;ve seen show that pregnant teens under 15 go to their parents about 95% of the time, with virtually the entire remaining 5% coming in cases of abuse or incest in the houshold. Teens who are 15-17 tell their parents about 65% of the time, but of the remaining 35% nearly all of them tell a &quot;trusted adult,&quot; including another relative. Obviously not all that 35% fear abuse in the home or are victims of incest, but many of them have the hesitation because of other family problems, such as alcholism or drug addiction in the family, etc. 

These statistics make a lot of sense to me and I don&#039;t think they justify parental notification laws - and certainly not CCPA - because a small number of teens don&#039;t fear abuse and don&#039;t tell their parents. The reality is, once you hit 15, 16, 17, you may not get everything right, but you do know better than the government what your family can or cannot handle. 

A friend of mine had an abortion at 17. She didn&#039;t tell her parents because her mo had recently been committed to a psych unit. She knew it was too much for her dad to handle, even though she knew he&#039;d have supported her decision either way. And older relative helped her find an abortion provider. When my sister was 18, she got pregnant following a birth control failure and she did tell our mom, even though she was legally an adult. Our mom was with her the whole way through my sister&#039;s abortion, never judged, never questioned, and probably felt like my sister was doing the brave and best thing. I&#039;d bet that the majority of women who have abortions through their 20s tell their mom. That&#039;s what you do when you CAN. 

These stories are exactly why this bill is ridiculous, wrong, and hurtful. What a disappointment that such a majority of Senators doesn&#039;t get that. I doubt their daughters would ever feel comfortable telling them if they needed an abortion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re How often pregnant teens tell their parents&#8230; The latest statistics I&#8217;ve seen show that pregnant teens under 15 go to their parents about 95% of the time, with virtually the entire remaining 5% coming in cases of abuse or incest in the houshold. Teens who are 15-17 tell their parents about 65% of the time, but of the remaining 35% nearly all of them tell a &#8220;trusted adult,&#8221; including another relative. Obviously not all that 35% fear abuse in the home or are victims of incest, but many of them have the hesitation because of other family problems, such as alcholism or drug addiction in the family, etc. </p>
<p>These statistics make a lot of sense to me and I don&#8217;t think they justify parental notification laws &#8211; and certainly not CCPA &#8211; because a small number of teens don&#8217;t fear abuse and don&#8217;t tell their parents. The reality is, once you hit 15, 16, 17, you may not get everything right, but you do know better than the government what your family can or cannot handle. </p>
<p>A friend of mine had an abortion at 17. She didn&#8217;t tell her parents because her mo had recently been committed to a psych unit. She knew it was too much for her dad to handle, even though she knew he&#8217;d have supported her decision either way. And older relative helped her find an abortion provider. When my sister was 18, she got pregnant following a birth control failure and she did tell our mom, even though she was legally an adult. Our mom was with her the whole way through my sister&#8217;s abortion, never judged, never questioned, and probably felt like my sister was doing the brave and best thing. I&#8217;d bet that the majority of women who have abortions through their 20s tell their mom. That&#8217;s what you do when you CAN. </p>
<p>These stories are exactly why this bill is ridiculous, wrong, and hurtful. What a disappointment that such a majority of Senators doesn&#8217;t get that. I doubt their daughters would ever feel comfortable telling them if they needed an abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: bmc90</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know of one woman who got an abortion as a teenager.  She told her mom, who actually paid for it, but not her dad.  Her dad was a cop, the father was black, the girl and her family were all white, and I think the girl and her mom were concerned that dad would decide to go after boyfriend, daughter or both while drunk.  There is no way in hell to ever prove to a court that these suspicions were justified, but apparently the mother thought enough of the possibility not to tell her own husband.  Now you tell me that there aren&#039;t some teenagers out there whose suspicions about similar circumstances aren&#039;t necessarily untrue just because they are minors.  Unfortunately, sometimes those suspicions rightfully extend to both parents.  Homicide is the number one cause of death for pregnant women, and now pregnant girls can&#039;t protect themselves by not telling their potentially violent parents about an abortion.  Lovely.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of one woman who got an abortion as a teenager.  She told her mom, who actually paid for it, but not her dad.  Her dad was a cop, the father was black, the girl and her family were all white, and I think the girl and her mom were concerned that dad would decide to go after boyfriend, daughter or both while drunk.  There is no way in hell to ever prove to a court that these suspicions were justified, but apparently the mother thought enough of the possibility not to tell her own husband.  Now you tell me that there aren&#8217;t some teenagers out there whose suspicions about similar circumstances aren&#8217;t necessarily untrue just because they are minors.  Unfortunately, sometimes those suspicions rightfully extend to both parents.  Homicide is the number one cause of death for pregnant women, and now pregnant girls can&#8217;t protect themselves by not telling their potentially violent parents about an abortion.  Lovely.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A nice thought, but, I would say, only probabilistically true. I’m no supporter of notification laws, but I don’t imagine that every happy family will discuss it anyway. To a certain extent, in fact, a 16-year-old who was raised right may well say “I’m an adult, I can handle this myself” and not feel she needs to bother talking to her parents about it — she knows they’ll still love her and all, but she doesn’t feel the need to have the conversation, all the same. I don’t think that’s a bad outcome; indeed, I take issue with the underlying assumption that the parents need to know in the first place provided the facility is clean and they’re not paying for it. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

(I think Doris Dawn&#039;s ears are burning.)  

I agree with this.  Ideally, a young woman should talk to her good parents about this decision just as she would talk to them about the decision to become sexually active, or the decision to drop out of college and ride a unicycle at Burning Man.  While the decision is ultimately hers, parents can offer a lot of valuable advice in situations like this.  Most of them are basically good and supportive people who want to be involved in their child&#039;s life for the right reasons.  

However, I don&#039;t agree that that ideal should be legislated for the sake of its emotional benefits, not in the face of the enormous drawbacks it will have for far more vulnerable young women who don&#039;t have protection from or from their parents.  To the extent that there are concerns about medical safety in terms of transparency and follow-up, it seems like the best way to satisfy them would be to regulate clinics in general, without impinging on any patient&#039;s privacy.  That&#039;s been the strategy with every other medical procedure, and this shouldn&#039;t be any different.  Placing the burden on each young woman to bring her parents into the equation is a proven method of driving girls away from medical care, not facilitating its supervision.  (Plus, I have a lot of trouble taking these concerns at face value from people who want to void funding for these clinics; nothing protects conscientious standards of care like a shoestring budget and an overwhelming demographic.)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A nice thought, but, I would say, only probabilistically true. I’m no supporter of notification laws, but I don’t imagine that every happy family will discuss it anyway. To a certain extent, in fact, a 16-year-old who was raised right may well say “I’m an adult, I can handle this myself” and not feel she needs to bother talking to her parents about it — she knows they’ll still love her and all, but she doesn’t feel the need to have the conversation, all the same. I don’t think that’s a bad outcome; indeed, I take issue with the underlying assumption that the parents need to know in the first place provided the facility is clean and they’re not paying for it. </p></blockquote>
<p>(I think Doris Dawn&#8217;s ears are burning.)  </p>
<p>I agree with this.  Ideally, a young woman should talk to her good parents about this decision just as she would talk to them about the decision to become sexually active, or the decision to drop out of college and ride a unicycle at Burning Man.  While the decision is ultimately hers, parents can offer a lot of valuable advice in situations like this.  Most of them are basically good and supportive people who want to be involved in their child&#8217;s life for the right reasons.  </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t agree that that ideal should be legislated for the sake of its emotional benefits, not in the face of the enormous drawbacks it will have for far more vulnerable young women who don&#8217;t have protection from or from their parents.  To the extent that there are concerns about medical safety in terms of transparency and follow-up, it seems like the best way to satisfy them would be to regulate clinics in general, without impinging on any patient&#8217;s privacy.  That&#8217;s been the strategy with every other medical procedure, and this shouldn&#8217;t be any different.  Placing the burden on each young woman to bring her parents into the equation is a proven method of driving girls away from medical care, not facilitating its supervision.  (Plus, I have a lot of trouble taking these concerns at face value from people who want to void funding for these clinics; nothing protects conscientious standards of care like a shoestring budget and an overwhelming demographic.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew.  Actually, both IUDs (the coil) and hormonal birthcontrol work to prevent ovulation, and when that fails, to prevent implanation by making the uterine lining really unfriendly.  The IUD is a little bit more effective because there is no human error, other than expulsion, and that it also acts as a physical barrier in sperm finding egg. It is completely ridiculous to oppose anything that prevents fertilization, but it is just as ridiculous to oppose methods that prevent implantation because eggs are fertilized and not implanted all the time.  Even the most stringent pro-life lady has bled out many a fetus that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew.  Actually, both IUDs (the coil) and hormonal birthcontrol work to prevent ovulation, and when that fails, to prevent implanation by making the uterine lining really unfriendly.  The IUD is a little bit more effective because there is no human error, other than expulsion, and that it also acts as a physical barrier in sperm finding egg. It is completely ridiculous to oppose anything that prevents fertilization, but it is just as ridiculous to oppose methods that prevent implantation because eggs are fertilized and not implanted all the time.  Even the most stringent pro-life lady has bled out many a fetus that way.</p>
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		<title>By: raging red</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hershele, I agree.  If I just think about myself and my own family, I know that if I had gotten pregnant as a teenager, I &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; have talked to my parents about it, and although they probably would have been upset, they would have been supportive.  However - and of course this is only speculation in retrospect (retrospeculation?) - I am almost certain that if I &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; gotten pregnant as a teenager, I wouldn&#039;t have told my parents.  I would have felt mature enough and intelligent enough to take care of it on my own, and I wouldn&#039;t have wanted them to find out.  I think I only would have talked to them about it if there were some problem/issue that came up that I felt like I couldn&#039;t handle on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hershele, I agree.  If I just think about myself and my own family, I know that if I had gotten pregnant as a teenager, I <em>could</em> have talked to my parents about it, and although they probably would have been upset, they would have been supportive.  However &#8211; and of course this is only speculation in retrospect (retrospeculation?) &#8211; I am almost certain that if I <em>had</em> gotten pregnant as a teenager, I wouldn&#8217;t have told my parents.  I would have felt mature enough and intelligent enough to take care of it on my own, and I wouldn&#8217;t have wanted them to find out.  I think I only would have talked to them about it if there were some problem/issue that came up that I felt like I couldn&#8217;t handle on my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hershele Ostropoler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex Little:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I have no idea how often this sort of thing happens.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So why bring it up? I ask because that sort of stalking-horse maneuver is a common strategy of people who want to justify making women&#039;s lives worse

kate:
&lt;blockquote&gt;When a teen has good, understanding parents who work hard at having a good and open dialogue with their children, usually those teens don’t find themselves in such predicaments. They either wouldn’t chose to date such a controlling asshole, or they would feel comfortable enough to be honest and ask for help from said parents&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A nice thought, but, I would say, only probabilistically true. I&#039;m no supporter of notification laws, but I don&#039;t imagine that &lt;b&gt;every&lt;/b&gt; happy family will discuss it anyway. To a certain extent, in fact, a 16-year-old who was raised right may well say &quot;I&#039;m an adult, I can handle this myself&quot; and not feel she needs to bother talking to her parents about it --- she knows they&#039;ll still love her and all, but she doesn&#039;t feel the need to have the conversation, all the same. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a bad outcome; indeed, I take issue with the underlying assumption that the parents need to know in the first place provided the facility is clean and they&#039;re not paying for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex Little:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have no idea how often this sort of thing happens.</p></blockquote>
<p>So why bring it up? I ask because that sort of stalking-horse maneuver is a common strategy of people who want to justify making women&#8217;s lives worse</p>
<p>kate:</p>
<blockquote><p>When a teen has good, understanding parents who work hard at having a good and open dialogue with their children, usually those teens don’t find themselves in such predicaments. They either wouldn’t chose to date such a controlling asshole, or they would feel comfortable enough to be honest and ask for help from said parents</p></blockquote>
<p>A nice thought, but, I would say, only probabilistically true. I&#8217;m no supporter of notification laws, but I don&#8217;t imagine that <b>every</b> happy family will discuss it anyway. To a certain extent, in fact, a 16-year-old who was raised right may well say &#8220;I&#8217;m an adult, I can handle this myself&#8221; and not feel she needs to bother talking to her parents about it &#8212; she knows they&#8217;ll still love her and all, but she doesn&#8217;t feel the need to have the conversation, all the same. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a bad outcome; indeed, I take issue with the underlying assumption that the parents need to know in the first place provided the facility is clean and they&#8217;re not paying for it.</p>
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