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	<title>Comments on: In Which Dear Prudence Turns Into Maggie Gallagher</title>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick:

I&#039;d be with you if that was her ONLY rationale behind advising her to consider marriage, although I still wouldn&#039;t think it wise. My labelling of her as an idiot comes from the implication that the ability of two people to create a stable home for a child centers around whether or not they are married. That&#039;s idiotic no matter what she follows it up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be with you if that was her ONLY rationale behind advising her to consider marriage, although I still wouldn&#8217;t think it wise. My labelling of her as an idiot comes from the implication that the ability of two people to create a stable home for a child centers around whether or not they are married. That&#8217;s idiotic no matter what she follows it up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Margo Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margo Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;
I enjoyed reading this blog. One of your regulars sent it to me. I would like to clear up a few things having to do with me.
1) I did not die.
2) I did not leave for a book deal.
3) I went to Yahoo! News to be with the two Slate executives who oversaw Slate; to have a much wider, less elite redership; and because I didn&#039;t think the editorial staff at Slate cared about &quot;Prudie,&quot; although the traffic and advertising the feature pulled were major. 
I have been gratified that I get a ton of mail from people who say they&#039;ve followed me to Yahoo! News.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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I enjoyed reading this blog. One of your regulars sent it to me. I would like to clear up a few things having to do with me.<br />
1) I did not die.<br />
2) I did not leave for a book deal.<br />
3) I went to Yahoo! News to be with the two Slate executives who oversaw Slate; to have a much wider, less elite redership; and because I didn&#8217;t think the editorial staff at Slate cared about &#8220;Prudie,&#8221; although the traffic and advertising the feature pulled were major.<br />
I have been gratified that I get a ton of mail from people who say they&#8217;ve followed me to Yahoo! News.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Gazis-Sax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Gazis-Sax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So one would think that, should a woman be worried about her financial status, telling her to throw a wedding in on top of it would be, well, fucking insane.&lt;/em&gt;

Not really.  Nothing says you &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to throw a grand wedding; you can get married cheap at city hall with only a couple of witnesses.  And the baby&#039;s then an automatic candidate for both parents&#039; health insurance; this can be a win if the baby proves to have significant medical expenses or if the mother&#039;s job suddenly gets shipped overseas.  So marriage could well be a financial gain.

Marriage aside, if finances are a big factor in winning her parents&#039; approval, sitting down and doing a budget might be a good idea.  From what the letter writer says about her situation, it shouldn&#039;t be that hard to come up with a budget that includes a baby.

&lt;em&gt;Has Prudie never been married? Has she never been around anyone going through a marriage?&lt;/em&gt;

This Prudie seems to be once married; the previous Prudie had been married multiple times, and collected suggestions about what to do with your wedding ring if you get divorced.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So one would think that, should a woman be worried about her financial status, telling her to throw a wedding in on top of it would be, well, fucking insane.</em></p>
<p>Not really.  Nothing says you <em>have</em> to throw a grand wedding; you can get married cheap at city hall with only a couple of witnesses.  And the baby&#8217;s then an automatic candidate for both parents&#8217; health insurance; this can be a win if the baby proves to have significant medical expenses or if the mother&#8217;s job suddenly gets shipped overseas.  So marriage could well be a financial gain.</p>
<p>Marriage aside, if finances are a big factor in winning her parents&#8217; approval, sitting down and doing a budget might be a good idea.  From what the letter writer says about her situation, it shouldn&#8217;t be that hard to come up with a budget that includes a baby.</p>
<p><em>Has Prudie never been married? Has she never been around anyone going through a marriage?</em></p>
<p>This Prudie seems to be once married; the previous Prudie had been married multiple times, and collected suggestions about what to do with your wedding ring if you get divorced.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you picked up on this week&#039;s column...I was thinking of sending it someone&#039;s way otherwise.  I&#039;m so happy Margo is over at Yahoo now (so I can get my fix, I&#039;d been reading Margo&#039;s weekly column since at least 2000)...

If I&#039;m not mistaken Emily Yoffe used to do product reviews at Slate...I&#039;m not sure what qualifies her to be doing an advice column.

In any case, this week was the last.  I was still reading Prudence for some reason but that was the final straw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you picked up on this week&#8217;s column&#8230;I was thinking of sending it someone&#8217;s way otherwise.  I&#8217;m so happy Margo is over at Yahoo now (so I can get my fix, I&#8217;d been reading Margo&#8217;s weekly column since at least 2000)&#8230;</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken Emily Yoffe used to do product reviews at Slate&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure what qualifies her to be doing an advice column.</p>
<p>In any case, this week was the last.  I was still reading Prudence for some reason but that was the final straw.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Kiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hexy: if she said that marriage might help convince the parents of the letter-writer&#039;s fitness to be a mother and was it worth considering, I don&#039;t know that would be particularly idiotic. If you&#039;re as desperate as the letter-writer seems to be to secure parental good offices, it is at least worth thinking about.

The response as written, though, is condescending crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hexy: if she said that marriage might help convince the parents of the letter-writer&#8217;s fitness to be a mother and was it worth considering, I don&#8217;t know that would be particularly idiotic. If you&#8217;re as desperate as the letter-writer seems to be to secure parental good offices, it is at least worth thinking about.</p>
<p>The response as written, though, is condescending crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sailorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s hilarious--I always read prudie but took a hiatus.  I didn&#039;t really process she was a new person, though the columns seemed.... odd somehow.  heh.  took me until this thread to realize.

the &quot;get married&quot; part is ridiculous.  (at least she acknowledges she&#039;s being a triceratops...) However, IMO it is &lt;i&gt;slightly&lt;/i&gt; accounted for, in all fairness, by the final paragraph:
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It would help if you could add what conclusions you and the father have come to about marriage and/or your living situation. If your parents have a fit, you need to remain calm and certain in the face of it. Practicing this response will be good preparation for motherhood.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
which (to me) implies that the important advice it 1) decide on WHATEVER it is you&#039;re planning to do; 2) don&#039;t hide it from your parents; and 3) don&#039;t let your parents push you one way or the other.  Unlike &quot;go get married you silly woman&quot; that advice actually is sort of sensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s hilarious&#8211;I always read prudie but took a hiatus.  I didn&#8217;t really process she was a new person, though the columns seemed&#8230;. odd somehow.  heh.  took me until this thread to realize.</p>
<p>the &#8220;get married&#8221; part is ridiculous.  (at least she acknowledges she&#8217;s being a triceratops&#8230;) However, IMO it is <i>slightly</i> accounted for, in all fairness, by the final paragraph:</p>
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It would help if you could add what conclusions you and the father have come to about marriage and/or your living situation. If your parents have a fit, you need to remain calm and certain in the face of it. Practicing this response will be good preparation for motherhood.
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<p>which (to me) implies that the important advice it 1) decide on WHATEVER it is you&#8217;re planning to do; 2) don&#8217;t hide it from your parents; and 3) don&#8217;t let your parents push you one way or the other.  Unlike &#8220;go get married you silly woman&#8221; that advice actually is sort of sensible.</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She didn&#039;t even answer the bloody question! I mean, if she&#039;d tacked something on the end like &quot;And your parents may be more amenable to the idea of a baby if you&#039;re having it with your future husband rather than just some guy&quot;... well, I&#039;d still think she was an idiot, but at least she&#039;d be an idiot with some relevance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She didn&#8217;t even answer the bloody question! I mean, if she&#8217;d tacked something on the end like &#8220;And your parents may be more amenable to the idea of a baby if you&#8217;re having it with your future husband rather than just some guy&#8221;&#8230; well, I&#8217;d still think she was an idiot, but at least she&#8217;d be an idiot with some relevance!</p>
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		<title>By: Impulsivecompulsive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Impulsivecompulsive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Although I don’t live with them or depend on them financially, I’m afraid they may think we are not financially or emotionally ready.&lt;/i&gt;

So let me get this straight: Mother-To-Be says that she&#039;s worried that her parents won&#039;t think she&#039;s capable of supporting a child, and Prudie suggests &lt;i&gt;marriage!?!&lt;/i&gt;

Has Prudie never been married?  Has she never been around anyone going through a marriage?

Because weddings are things that cost many, many dollars.  And then many more.

So one would think that, should a woman be worried about her financial status, telling her to throw a wedding in on top of it would be, well, fucking insane.

One would think, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Although I don’t live with them or depend on them financially, I’m afraid they may think we are not financially or emotionally ready.</i></p>
<p>So let me get this straight: Mother-To-Be says that she&#8217;s worried that her parents won&#8217;t think she&#8217;s capable of supporting a child, and Prudie suggests <i>marriage!?!</i></p>
<p>Has Prudie never been married?  Has she never been around anyone going through a marriage?</p>
<p>Because weddings are things that cost many, many dollars.  And then many more.</p>
<p>So one would think that, should a woman be worried about her financial status, telling her to throw a wedding in on top of it would be, well, fucking insane.</p>
<p>One would think, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam: I am such an advice column junkie too!  Do you read the Vine?

As for this... man this advice sucked.  Offensively so.  I&#039;m reminded of the scene in Maria Full of Grace (towards the beginning, so not really a spoiler) where she tells her boyfriend she&#039;s pregnant and he&#039;s like, &quot;do you want to get married?&quot; and she just laughs at him: &quot;married? are you in love with me?  you idiot, you would marry someone you don&#039;t love?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam: I am such an advice column junkie too!  Do you read the Vine?</p>
<p>As for this&#8230; man this advice sucked.  Offensively so.  I&#8217;m reminded of the scene in Maria Full of Grace (towards the beginning, so not really a spoiler) where she tells her boyfriend she&#8217;s pregnant and he&#8217;s like, &#8220;do you want to get married?&#8221; and she just laughs at him: &#8220;married? are you in love with me?  you idiot, you would marry someone you don&#8217;t love?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pockysmama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pockysmama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI - I think the &quot;old&quot; Prudie is now with Yahoo.  She made the switch shortly after the beginning of the year.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI &#8211; I think the &#8220;old&#8221; Prudie is now with Yahoo.  She made the switch shortly after the beginning of the year.</p>
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