Comments on: The Stained Glass Ceiling http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:34:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: randomliberal/Robert http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61632 randomliberal/Robert Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:40:32 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61632 My very own diocese of ECUSA (Fort Worth, led by the incredibly odious Jack Iker)* is seeking "alternate primatial oversight" because of ECUSA's increasing liberal secular humanist™ ways. The Fort Worth diocese is one of three in the US that still does not ordain women or allow them to serve as clergy, and they helped lead the charge against Bishop Robinson. *Fortunately, i don't identify as Anglican (or Christian, really), so it doesn't affect me that much. My very own diocese of ECUSA (Fort Worth, led by the incredibly odious Jack Iker)* is seeking “alternate primatial oversight” because of ECUSA’s increasing liberal secular humanist™ ways. The Fort Worth diocese is one of three in the US that still does not ordain women or allow them to serve as clergy, and they helped lead the charge against Bishop Robinson.

*Fortunately, i don’t identify as Anglican (or Christian, really), so it doesn’t affect me that much.

]]> By: Craig R. http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61625 Craig R. Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:09:57 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61625 This "stained glass ceiling" is one that has ben broken by the ECUSA (Epicopal Church of the USA) by the election of a wompon to be the presiding bishop over the USA's contingent of churches in the Anglican Communion. I'm sure that the more conservative factions (both inside and outside of the USA) who were all incensed by the national church convention not slapping down the congregations in New Hampshire who elected an openly gay man as their Bishop will get up on a hobby horse about this as well (but it will be a shorter horse -- they can get away with railing about the Evil Homos more easially than railing about Uppity Wimmim. ANd trust me, there are still a bunch of them who bitch and moan about the Anglican's views on women being ordained into the priesthood. This “stained glass ceiling” is one that has ben broken by the ECUSA (Epicopal Church of the USA) by the election of a wompon to be the presiding bishop over the USA’s contingent of churches in the Anglican Communion.

I’m sure that the more conservative factions (both inside and outside of the USA) who were all incensed by the national church convention not slapping down the congregations in New Hampshire who elected an openly gay man as their Bishop will get up on a hobby horse about this as well (but it will be a shorter horse — they can get away with railing about the Evil Homos more easially than railing about Uppity Wimmim.

ANd trust me, there are still a bunch of them who bitch and moan about the Anglican’s views on women being ordained into the priesthood.

]]> By: kim http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61599 kim Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:01:38 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61599 The real problem is that these are <em>not</em> the conservative denominations who think that women should have separate but lesser roles in the church. The mainline churches take the moderate-liberal position that women are equal to men in the eyes of God, at least in the abstract. The sexism here is much more internalized so that these churches aren't even aware of it - they believe that women should have the same role as men, but when they are given the choice to act on these beliefs, they choose men over women, probably without fully realizing that their decisions are based on gender. This phenomenon reflects less on a failure of theology than on a failure for even moderate-liberal Christians to understand how deeply sexism pervades their decisions. The real problem is that these are not the conservative denominations who think that women should have separate but lesser roles in the church. The mainline churches take the moderate-liberal position that women are equal to men in the eyes of God, at least in the abstract. The sexism here is much more internalized so that these churches aren’t even aware of it – they believe that women should have the same role as men, but when they are given the choice to act on these beliefs, they choose men over women, probably without fully realizing that their decisions are based on gender. This phenomenon reflects less on a failure of theology than on a failure for even moderate-liberal Christians to understand how deeply sexism pervades their decisions.

]]> By: Hugo http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61563 Hugo Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:32:22 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61563 It's a troubling issue, even in a denomination like mine (the Episcopal Church). We have loads and loads of female priests, but most of our big churches still have male rectors. Let me plug <a href="http://www.cbeinternational.org/new/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">Christians for Biblical Equality</a>, the leading evangelical organization pushing for women's radical equality in leadership. Though most of their publications are not online,<a href="http://www.cbeinternational.org/new/E-Journal/2006/06summer/06summerindex.html" rel="nofollow"> E-Quality </a>is! It’s a troubling issue, even in a denomination like mine (the Episcopal Church). We have loads and loads of female priests, but most of our big churches still have male rectors.

Let me plug Christians for Biblical Equality, the leading evangelical organization pushing for women’s radical equality in leadership. Though most of their publications are not online, E-Quality is!

]]> By: Sara http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61554 Sara Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:11:42 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61554 I'm still oh-so-very-confused as to why this sort of thing is difficult for Christians. Look, you're* Christians, right? Whose name is your legacy? Paul? Timothy? Gee, maybe CHRIST? And what did HE have to say about this? Maybe you should remember who you follow -- and actually listen to HIM -- more often. (*The general, plural "you," and obviously only applicable to people who actually identify as Christian.) I’m still oh-so-very-confused as to why this sort of thing is difficult for Christians.

Look, you’re* Christians, right? Whose name is your legacy? Paul? Timothy? Gee, maybe CHRIST? And what did HE have to say about this?

Maybe you should remember who you follow — and actually listen to HIM — more often.

(*The general, plural “you,” and obviously only applicable to people who actually identify as Christian.)

]]> By: StacyM http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61512 StacyM Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:38 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/08/26/the-stained-glass-ceiling/#comment-61512 Although I stopped being a Christian ages ago, this story made me extremely angry. As you said, there are no surprises here. Many branches of Christianity are extremely patriarchal and the bible is, at its very core, patriarchal, so why not the leadership of the churches, too? It's not just angering: it's also frightening. In a country where conservative Christianity is gaining more and more ground by the day, I shudder to think what lies in store for women as this grab for power continues. Although I stopped being a Christian ages ago, this story made me extremely angry.

As you said, there are no surprises here. Many branches of Christianity are extremely patriarchal and the bible is, at its very core, patriarchal, so why not the leadership of the churches, too?

It’s not just angering: it’s also frightening. In a country where conservative Christianity is gaining more and more ground by the day, I shudder to think what lies in store for women as this grab for power continues.

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