A friend of mine died this last week. She was the 26th woman admitted to the bar in my state, and was lauded for her charitable work throughout her life. I guess she was part of this awful evil too for not having children and filling her alloted role. How dare anyone besmirch all the women like her out there, and suggest they are worthless.

A final question for War Chick. When I make pot roast gravy, I brown the flour and make a roux to start. How does she do it? Or is she too busy snowboarding to have any actual notion of bringing home the bacon and frying it up in a pan?

Maybe someday we will see a time where women and men could equally choose what path they wanted in life without people shaming them for their choices, calling them un-feminine or “sissies” . But the cynic in me doubts it, at least in my lifetime. –TomCody

Well, it’s not the primary way that people live their lives these days, TC, but it’s not impossible. My family, case in point. So there’s still hope, even for cynics! (count me among them!)

Cheers,
T

Congratulations on the best imitation of a brick wall I have ever seen.

i come from a community with ‘old fashioned views’ and most people i know do view women this way.

You say this, but you never tell us how this “awe” manifests itself in your community. You reference negative consequences related to the loss of this awe in a later comment, but never describe what those negative consequences are (other than an implied higher divorce rate). You mention the lower divorce rate in your community, which you attribute to this feeling of “awe”, but never discuss any of the other factors present in your community which might also account for the lower divorce rate. For that matter, you never offer any additional information on your community so that the other commenters here can assess your claim. You also never describe the mechanism by which you believe this loss of “awe” would increase divorce rates and lead to other, unspecificed negative consequences.

You do all of the above in the context of a post about an article that describes this “awe” as manifesting itself in ways that clearly hurt women. Although you make an offhand remark about how you find most of the article “absurd”, you never really expound on that either. You don’t describe how the sense of “awe” you are referring to can exist without the harm the article’s author references.

So you won’t clarify what you are talking about, which leaves the blanks to be filled in by those reading your comment. Given the context in which your remarks are made, how can you find it surprising that those blanks are filled in the way they have been? If you find this distressing, it is incumbent on you to make explicit what you are talking about. We are not mind readers.

It is for all these reasons and more that I suspect most commenters here find claims that we’re not willing to brook disasgreement to be specious. If you can’t describe what precisely we’re disagreeing about in other than the most general of terms, how can you expect to have any reasonable discussion?

Isn’t that part of the fun in presenting an opposing viewpoint?

please just continue the hundreds of posts and comments here which all say ‘look how stupid and silly anyone who disagrees with us on any point is.’ that seems to be all anyone here wants to do.

I’m in my mid-20s and my mother was a teacher and after she had me she gave me to my dad and he took time away from his job to raise me while she went back to work. This was in the early 80s and I turned out fine. Once I was able to go to headstart he went back to work. Before that, he worked his butt off and even took a job in a city 6 hours away where he’d commute on Sunday and wouldn’t come home until the weekend. This was when my brother was born and he’d hardly ever see him so much so that my brother didn’t even realize he was “dad” and once my brother began becoming afraid of him when he’d come home on weekends my dad quit in order to spend more time with him.

It amazes me how these conservatives laud the women’s “role” in taking care of children and leaving only a financial participation in the role of men. They don’t seem to get that they’re saying, “men have no real role in child rearing outside of providing money/resources.” I mean, it’s not like we’re penguins where the survival of chicks is totally dependent on both male and female parents.

I get that this came from the cave man era of thinking where men would go out and hunt and bring back food to his family but again, that’s your only contribution? So, if there were a group of women and not all of them are pregnant at the same time then some of them could do the same thing you’re doing and you’d be shit out of luck? I think it’s that fear that fuels this. They have to feel important and apart of the child raising process somehow, yet actually taking care of babies/children is “beneath” them so they made up this “manly” way of contribution in order to shoehorm themselves into the power of the family.

Maybe someday we will see a time where women and men could equally choose what path they wanted in life without people shaming them for their choices, calling them un-feminine or “sissies” . But the cynic in me doubts it, at least in my lifetime.

Sorry for the long post and any missspellings.