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    Jill 9.11.2006 at 12:56 pm | *

    Word. Dawn has certainly irritated me before, but she really showed her true colors with this one. Unbelievably narcissistic and ugly.

    I think this was my favorite comment:

    These people were displaced for months, but PP offered these “services” ONE WEEK after the collapse of the WTC. That’s not charitable. It’s preying on the weakened emotional state of someone who’s lost a loved one. A mother who lost her husband last week is much more likely to abort her child than a mother who lost her husband a month or two ago, I’d imagine.

    I do not second Neil’s comment. This is not an agenda, but a truth. You seem to be forgetting that many more thousands of people die of abortion than at the WTC, and many more continue to die. It is neither sensitive nor wise to forget those aborted children just for a phony sense of peace on a terrible anniversary.

    Right. So to all you people who lost loved ones in the World Trade Center, get over it, because abortion still exists.

    Really, fuck you.

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    everstar 9.11.2006 at 1:08 pm |

    Oh, for God’s sake. What about a woman who miscarried, couldn’t get to her regular gynecologist and needed a D&C? What about a birth control shot or pills for a woman who might be afraid of being raped in the chaotic wake? What about basic health care, or simply a friendly face? Is it really that hard to think of a plausible situation?

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    Julie 9.11.2006 at 1:21 pm |

    That was my favorite too Jill. Like PP staff just sit around waiting for an excuse to hand out abortions for free, preferably by capitalizing on a tragedy.

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    Deborah 9.11.2006 at 1:25 pm |

    She can understand blood drives, but as it turned out, the blood drives weren’t needed because there were virtually no bleeding survivors.

    What there were, were people who lost their jobs or their means of transportation (because remember how subways and PATH were closed?), or who couldn’t reach their doctor (remember that most phone lines were also down and most cell phones weren’t working), and those people needed a host of services, which might or might not have included abortion.

    Oh, plus, I bet there was more sex, because when people are scared and grieving, they reach out for human warmth. Of course, the “human” thing probably eludes Dawn Eden.

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    PLN 9.11.2006 at 1:43 pm |

    The refusal to acknowledge any possible motive besides evil, the eagerness to score political points through tragedy, the absolute blindness to the genuine needs of fellow humans … wow. It’s like a trainwreck of logic and morality. And so very, very sad.

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    piny 9.11.2006 at 1:48 pm |

    Oh, plus, I bet there was more sex, because when people are scared and grieving, they reach out for human warmth. Of course, the “human” thing probably eludes Dawn Eden.

    We finally have an explanation for horrible natural disasters! God causes bad things to happen because He wants us to make more babies!

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    NeilC 9.11.2006 at 1:51 pm |

    Remember, every time there’s an abortion…THE TERRORISTS WIN!

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    Natalia 9.11.2006 at 2:39 pm |

    She banned you from her blog? How silly.

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    Ledasmom 9.11.2006 at 3:37 pm |

    Come to think of it, one of the commenters, I believe, also dragged in the old Planned-Parenthood-is-only-in-it-for-the-money-blah-blah bit, which sits but ill with the fact of, er, free services. I guess they figure abortions are like potato chips.

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    Christopher 9.11.2006 at 4:08 pm |

    Hey, killing babies is its own reward.

    Even just in terms of Abortion, you know, I can imagine it might be hard to go through with a Pregnancy when your husband, your only means of support and insurance, has just horribly died in an astoundingly violent manner that might well leave you suffering from post-traumatic stress.

    Yeah, that’s the PERFECT time to have a child.

    Jesus, have some fucking compassion.

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    Holly 9.11.2006 at 4:46 pm |

    This is just absurd. I was outside that exact same Red Cross center that Dawn was at, and “managing the streams of would-be volunteers and donors” basically mean, turning people away and telling them to go home, for reasons already mentioned. There was too much blood and too many hands, and not enough survivors. Lovely that Dawn was able to claim a little bit of do-goodery by claiming to have been “managing the streams.”

    It’s not surprising at all that Planned Parenthood is straight-up equated with abortion in pro-life minds, creating the bizarre assumption that the 100% attendance rate = 100% abortions, one week after September 11. Uh hello, apparently Dawn doesn’t remember how badly a WHOLE lot of medical services, doctor’s offices, all sorts of normal everyday things were disrupted. Or how people just needed to keep on living, and get things they needed to live, including contraceptives and gyn exams and other kinds of things that you know, can help the world have more healthy, wanted babies, prevent unwanted pregnancies, reduce the need for abortion. I guess it would be better if Planned Parenthood hadn’t stepped up and told women to come by for all of those things, in a time of crisis? Yeah, right.

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    raging red 9.11.2006 at 5:03 pm |

    Why do they pretend that the only service PP offers is abortion and that every woman walking into a PP must be getting one? (I mean, I know why they do it, but I feel the overwhelming urge to ask a rhetorical question, I guess.)

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    micheyd 9.11.2006 at 5:05 pm |

    Eesh, that was a lame excuse to excoriate PP. You’re right, Ledasmom – they’re usually all about the abortions = money line, but somehow they find a way to accuse PP of being exploitative in the exact opposite situation.

    Same deal with the way they think of women – one day it’s that we’re wanton sluts, the next we’re good girls being suckered in by eeevil docs. Which is it?

    It is kinda funny, though, to see them mix and match their narratives like this.

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    ks 9.11.2006 at 5:11 pm |

    Even just in terms of Abortion, you know, I can imagine it might be hard to go through with a Pregnancy when your husband, your only means of support and insurance, has just horribly died in an astoundingly violent manner that might well leave you suffering from post-traumatic stress.

    That was my reaction too. I certainly wouldn’t want to go through with a pregnancy under those circumstances. Not to mention, how many of those hypothetical women already had kids that needed support and insurance that was no longer provided. That woman really needs to get a life and stop butting into everyone else’s.

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    Lauren 9.11.2006 at 5:45 pm |

    Not that Dawn is exploiting 9/11 for her own agendas, you know.

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    oudemia 9.11.2006 at 5:55 pm |

    Dawn showed who she was when she approvingly, and smirkingly, posted Ann Coulter’s calumnies against the 9/11 widows.

    That was all I needed to know about her. This apparently was what Christ’s love asked of Dawn.

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    Norah 9.11.2006 at 6:32 pm |

    Jill, she bans so many people that she doesn’t have enough bandwidth for the banned ISPs and eventually the older ones will disappear. At least, that’s what she told me…the last time she banned me for saying things she didn’t like.

    She’s a phony. Worse, a self-righteous phony.

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    Norah 9.11.2006 at 6:33 pm |

    And, zuzu, the author of this post. Damn you, no preview button!

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    raging red 9.11.2006 at 7:18 pm |

    I would like to inform Dawn Eden that on the morning of September 11, 2001, I was in a gynecologist’s office getting my very first prescription for birth control pills. (Really.)

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    Ledasmom 9.11.2006 at 8:43 pm |

    Jill, she bans so many people that she doesn’t have enough bandwidth for the banned ISPs and eventually the older ones will disappear. At least, that’s what she told me…the last time she banned me for saying things she didn’t like

    Hmmmpph. She hasn’t banned me yet, except by accident (including the time she accidentally banned her mother, along with many many other people). From recent experience of having my posts chopped up, though, I can say:
    References to length of cartoon man’s penis: Good.
    References to marital sex: Bad.
    And never, never say anything good about masturbation.
    I admit that I sorta gave up on her, except for amusement, when she quoted, apparently with approval, a rant by Coulter equating science with religion.

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    sly civilian 9.11.2006 at 8:57 pm |

    “Pointing out that the only person I knew about who was having sex at Ground Zero was Bernard Kerik.”

    Ouch. Richly deserved. But ouch.

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    raging red 9.11.2006 at 11:30 pm |

    Which, as someone once pointed out, makes you feel like Doogie Howser, M.D.

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    Norah 9.12.2006 at 7:29 am |

    Whaddaya want a preview button for when you get the nice little thing at the bottom typing out a copy of your post?

    Heh. Forgot about that.

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    sketchgirl 9.12.2006 at 7:37 am |

    Lol, I was banned from Dawn’s site too, *sigh* … I must be doing something right ;)

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    Marian 9.12.2006 at 7:50 am |

    I love the first comment about how after such a mass murder, it’s our obligation to “re-people” the earth. So for all 2973 people dead, we need 2973 more babies, so better get pregnant!

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    johanna 9.12.2006 at 8:29 am |

    It’s just like after Katrina when anti-choicers slammed PP in Texas for offering a free round of pills or EC to any woman who presented a Louisiana or Mississippi license. And that same old harp – “Who would be thinking about sex at a time like that?”

    Well, a lot of people, clearly . . . wasn’t there a mini-spike in birth rates about nine months post-9/11?

    And why not? Why is it so twisted in these people’s minds that, following tragedy, people might want to seek a little comfort with someone they love and might not be ready to parent right after the emotional stress and material loss of a disaster – like 9/11 or Katrina.

    I’m also continually dumbfounded at how these same people, over and over again, slam Planned Parenthood, a reproductive health service, for giving away their srevices for free following a disaster. How is it the responsibility of a reproductive health service to do anything but provide those services to those who desire them, and to provide them well? And the shear lack of understanding regarding the myriad of reasons women use birth control – like migraines (me), cysts, heavy periods, etc. If say, my pills were in my purse in the WTC and I fled for my life, then couldn’t get to my regular doctor, yeah, sure, I’d like a free pack if someone is giving them away, thanks . . . but people like Dawn are so freaking repressed, all they can think about when it comes to birth control pills is sexsexsex.

    Whatever. Dawn Eden annoys the crap out of me.

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    raging red 9.12.2006 at 9:06 am |

    Good points, johanna, and I would add that you have to take your birth control pill every day in order to be protected, so just because a woman needs to get pills immediately doesn’t mean that she is planning to have sex immediately (not that that should be anyone’s concern), but that she might want to have sex at some point in the future and she needs to stay current on her daily pill-taking.

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    oudemia 9.12.2006 at 10:30 am |

    They are actually continuing with the theme over there chez Eden:

    “But don’t be surprised if they urge us to let the fallen towers live on in our hearts as the twin pillars of dilation and extraction.”

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    jfpbookworm 9.12.2006 at 10:45 am |

    zuzu: Yep. “The Raving Atheist” guest-posted. It’s even worse than the other post, if that’s possible.

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    Deborah 9.12.2006 at 11:04 am |

    Even just in terms of Abortion, you know, I can imagine it might be hard to go through with a Pregnancy when your husband, your only means of support and insurance, has just horribly died in an astoundingly violent manner that might well leave you suffering from post-traumatic stress.

    This is sort of off-topic, but when my fiance died (in 1985) and I was grieving and all that, I went through a second round of grief when my period started. Last little possible bit of him was gone. I doubt that many women would abort under the above-described circumstances, no matter how trying and challenging they might be. But that’s just my experience.

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    Marian 9.12.2006 at 4:09 pm |

    Dammit to hell, why does my IT dept. have to block all Haloscan posts? Having to wait till 8 p.m. to see what’s really going on here is killing me!! ;-)

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    Nerd. and so much more! 9.12.2006 at 9:17 pm |

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    AdaHaze 9.13.2006 at 3:29 am |

    raging red Says:
    September 11th, 2006 at 5:03 pm
    Why do they pretend that the only service PP offers is abortion and that every woman walking into a PP must be getting one? (I mean, I know why they do it, but I feel the overwhelming urge to ask a rhetorical question, I guess.)

    I know! I worked in an abortion clinic for a few years and it was so difficult to make it work: for a once-a-week abortion clinic we had to find a doctor from out of town because no one in our southern capital city would do it, we had to arrange his flights every week, pick him up at the airport, and we had to take different routes and book him in a different hotel every week because of the nuts who would have pestered him (or worse) if we had any sort of routine, we had to arrange clinic escorts. When we made the appointments on the telephone we didn’t just say arrange for a ride home and don’t eat anything beforehand, No, we had to explain about the protesters and encourage the women to ignore them, no matter how hard it was to do. Also, there was a very high standard of prerequisites before the woman was actual on the examining table having a proceedure:
    _-a very strict window of time: more than 6 weeks pregnant and less than 12 weeks
    -a valid pregnancy test from an independent-of-our-clinic doctor (because people like Dawn accuse abortion clinics of faking positve pregnancy tests and putting women through uneccessary abortion proceedures simply to make money)
    -thorough options counselling ( I have seen counsellors spend an entire hour with a patient and then send her home because they came to the conclusion that the patient did not really want the proceedure after all).
    So yeah, Dawn: Potato Chips! Lets all get one!

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