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  1. jiggavegas
    jiggavegas September 15, 2006 at 4:55 pm |

    Amen.

    I cannot wait for the days when women stop criticizing each other’s bodies/choices in order to gain extra points in the moral superiority game. Grasping at straws much, Ann? You couldn’t discredit her voice, her opinions, her knowledge, her work… so you took the cheap shot. Congrats.

    And that guy on the left is totally trying to call attention to his crotch. Whore.

    (um, kidding. just in case.)

  2. piny
    piny September 15, 2006 at 4:58 pm |

    I saw the photo yesterday. I did not notice that Jessica was “posing;” I did not notice her breasts; I didn’t think twice about the arrangement of the photo. Different perspectives, I guess.

    I noticed the extremely slutty upper-arm exposure. Who does she think she is, Sarah Bernhardt?

  3. zuzu
    zuzu September 15, 2006 at 5:03 pm | *

    Oh, crap. I was in the middle of drafting a post about this. Maybe I’ll just pile on.

  4. Fred Vincy
    Fred Vincy September 15, 2006 at 5:03 pm |

    Well said.

  5. Starfoxy
    Starfoxy September 15, 2006 at 5:04 pm |

    Another point is that there are obviously several different people taking pictures– everyone in the picture is looking at a different camera. Whatever pose she may be striking probably looks much different from some of the other cameras.

  6. Matt Browner-Hamlin
    Matt Browner-Hamlin September 15, 2006 at 5:10 pm |

    Ann Althouse is a fucking asshole.

    What Jessica did wrong was show up at a political event in a female body. End of story. Ann, you should be ashamed.

    And Jessica, as always, you should be incredibly proud of everything you’ve accomplished.

    Jill I think you’ve summarized things perfectly here. This is all about the female body for Althouse and her commenters. If only Jessica had showed up in a burkha, we wouldn’t have had to deal with these assaults. But bare skin and god-given breasts? Althouse is essentialy saying that Jessica is lucky she wasn’t raped and of course it would have served her right if she was…

    What a bunch of fucking assholes Althouse’s crowd are…

  7. jfpbookworm
    jfpbookworm September 15, 2006 at 5:16 pm |

    The impression I got from the posts is that Ms. Althouse was upset that her Clinton-bashing got derailed.

    All because the woman whose breasts she was using to make her point had the nerve to speak up for herself.

  8. Norah
    Norah September 15, 2006 at 5:21 pm |

    How dare Jessica stand there having breasts, just like she has a right to or something!

    Un-fucking-believable.

  9. kactus
    kactus September 15, 2006 at 5:29 pm |

    Who is this Althouse woman anyway? I’ve heard her name but never read her blog before today–she keeps calling herself a feminist(!) but I’m not seeing any evidence of feminism on her site, especially since she’s got a chorus of woman-haters in the comments who she’s just egging on. What a bunch of bullshit this is.

  10. Chris Clarke
    Chris Clarke September 15, 2006 at 5:47 pm |

    OK, I’ll stand up to be the annoying, obnoxious het boy here. (Every thread needs one.)

    Jessica: I’m not judging you by your looks. (Don’t flatter yourself.)

    Is she fucking kidding?

  11. piny
    piny September 15, 2006 at 5:53 pm |

    Who is this Althouse woman anyway? I’ve heard her name but never read her blog before today–she keeps calling herself a feminist(!) but I’m not seeing any evidence of feminism on her site, especially since she’s got a chorus of woman-haters in the comments who she’s just egging on. What a bunch of bullshit this is.

    She’s a feminist like Tammy Bruce is a lesbian. Except, I’m pretty sure Tammy Bruce actually has slept with a woman at some point.

  12. Sally
    Sally September 15, 2006 at 6:03 pm |

    I don’t think the point about the “don’t flatter yourself” comment is whether Jessica is hot or not. It’s that Althouse and her commenters were, in fact, discussing the way Jessica looks, so saying “don’t flatter yourself” is just a way of compounding the insult by implying that Jessica is vain. It’s obviously a completely unsupported insult, since Jessica was reacting to the fact that they were, in fact, discussing the way she looks, but nasty and underhanded seems to be Althouse’s MO.

    I don’t read her blog, but she appears to be pretty horrid, politics notwithstanding. I think being that hateful must be a tad exhausting.

  13. plucky punk
    plucky punk September 15, 2006 at 6:05 pm |

    Jeeze, from Althouse’s words you’d think Jessica was pole-dancing or something, not just…standing there.

    Although I do think she has great hair.

  14. Sally
    Sally September 15, 2006 at 6:08 pm |

    And you know, I’m not a fan of Clinton, and I have some sympathy for the “what’s a feminist blogger doing hanging out with Clinton” question. (I’m more concerned about “welfare reform” than Monica-gate, fwiw.) I can think of a lot of good answers to it, but it’s a reasonable question. It would have been groovy if Althouse had been able to ask it without all the distracting misogyny, though.

  15. Linnaeus
    Linnaeus September 15, 2006 at 6:12 pm |

    And you know, I’m not a fan of Clinton, and I have some sympathy for the “what’s a feminist blogger doing hanging out with Clinton” question. (I’m more concerned about “welfare reform” than Monica-gate, fwiw.) I can think of a lot of good answers to it, but it’s a reasonable question. It would have been groovy if Althouse had been able to ask it without all the distracting misogyny, though.

    I noticed that question, too, and I do think that it’s worthy of consideration. Given the general context, however, I suspect that the question is intended to be an anti-Clinton canard rather than start a serious discussion thread on feminism.

  16. Jessica
    Jessica September 15, 2006 at 6:32 pm |

    Jill, thank you so much for the supportive post. I’m kind of in awe of all this. And now, Instapundit has linked to her crap post. (I’m not putting the link in.) I guess the right has nothing better to talk about than titties.

  17. Esme
    Esme September 15, 2006 at 6:43 pm |

    Well, if they stopped discussing titties near the former president, they might have to discuss the boobs in the White House

  18. Robyn Banks
    Robyn Banks September 15, 2006 at 6:55 pm |

    Instapundit linked it? Who knew that such a modest sweater would make Jessica’s breasts so damn famous?

  19. ginmar
    ginmar September 15, 2006 at 6:56 pm |

    But, you see, she was just standing there, expecting to be taken seriously, while not wearing a burka or anything.

    It’s not just guys that are sexist, unfortunately.

  20. Chris Clarke
    Chris Clarke September 15, 2006 at 7:00 pm |

    I don’t think the point about the “don’t flatter yourself” comment is whether Jessica is hot or not.

    Ah, good point.

  21. Joanna
    Joanna September 15, 2006 at 8:00 pm |

    Thanks to all the folks who braved the slime pit that is that comment thread to make reasoned responses, pointing out Althouse’s double standard, crappy logic, and sexism.

  22. Lauren
    Lauren September 15, 2006 at 8:41 pm |

    I guess the right has nothing better to talk about than titties.

    No, Jessica. Your titties. Your titties are an affront to America and must be stopped immediately.

  23. pseudonymous in nc
    pseudonymous in nc September 15, 2006 at 8:44 pm |

    Althouse may well be trolling, and perhaps even without knowing it. (In a bipartisan way, of course.) I can’t help thinking that she escaped from the parody truck when the Onion’s staff packed up and left Madison for New York.

    (Count me as a het man who didn’t notice any ‘posing’ in that photo beyond the usual crush to get people in shot.)

  24. Hugo
    Hugo September 15, 2006 at 8:46 pm |

    I haven’t been this mad at something I’ve read in the blogosphere in six months or more. I don’t know which makes me angrier: the nastiness or the cluelessness. I’m a huge Jessica Valenti fan, she’s sent a lot of traffic my way and pulled a lot of folks into the feminist blogging world who would otherwise not be there.

    Jessica, you rock. Jill, thanks for posting this. The rest of you, thanks for making me laugh as I read through the comments and overcame some of my rage at Althouse.

    I realize I’ve never posted about Clinton and feminists, however, and now get to file that away in the queue.

  25. Hugo
    Hugo September 15, 2006 at 8:53 pm |

    Oh, and zuzu, thanks for posting on this as well.

  26. Raincitygirl
    Raincitygirl September 15, 2006 at 9:43 pm |

    There are some intensely stupid and mean-spirited people in this world, and about half of them seem to be Ann Althouse and her commenters. I’ve read Feministing on a regular basis for a long time, because it’s a hell of a site. Hang in there, Jessica. Anybody with a lick of sense knows these bozos are smoking crack.

  27. belledame222
    belledame222 September 15, 2006 at 10:40 pm |

    Ann whom?

    goddam sure are a lot of assholes out there i don’t know what the world’s coming to mumble mumble

    Anyway: congratulations to Jessica!! nertz to the haters.

  28. Thers
    Thers September 16, 2006 at 12:37 am |

    Althouse is up to some old tricks. She loves picking fights.

    Jessica is about 19 miles above this cheap sort of viciousness.

  29. geoduck2
    geoduck2 September 16, 2006 at 1:18 am |

    What Thers said.

    And I’m going to buy one of those feministing shirts. I love them and I guess some people don’t understand irony or re-claiming symbols.

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  31. tekanji
    tekanji September 16, 2006 at 11:27 am |

    Um, am I the only one who noticed that Ann’s link regarding Jessica’s blog supposedly being “all about using breasts for extra attention” went to a completely unrelated blog?

    I mean, what, does she expect that people won’t click on the link and just assume that since she has linked something that she’s telling the truth? Or that, perhaps, they will click on the link, but will be too stupid or lazy to realize that the person who made the post in question is called “Steve”?

    The entire thing smacks of misogyny, hatred of women’s bodies, and dishonesty. Ick, just… ick.

  32. raging red
    raging red September 16, 2006 at 1:35 pm |

    Please tell me this is Althouse’s idea of a joke:

    I have a new theory, also taking into account the comment that Jessica looks like Paula Jones (check her profile photo: she does). The entire luncheon was a scheme by Bill Clinton to meet Jessica. And the reason she’s fighting back so hard is that we’ve called attention to the cover scheme.

    She’s kidding, right? She cannot possibly be serious.

  33. belledame222
    belledame222 September 16, 2006 at 1:46 pm |

    Well, hello, right wing boilerplate for some inexplicable reason going under the moniker “feminism.”

    doesn’t matter if she’s “kidding” (oh, the “I was just kidding about kicking you in the gut, lighten UP,” how much do we always love this) or not. The very fact that she even thinks this is amusing or remotely relevant to anything at all speaks volumes.

    Seriously. the whole goddam obsession with OMG CLINTON HAD SEXXXX snigger snigger INTERN giggle point PAULA JONES mutter mutter LOOKA HER…

    bored now.

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  35. philosophizer
    philosophizer September 16, 2006 at 2:37 pm |

    not that it has anything to do with, y’know, actual feminist opinions, but my first thought looking at the picture was that Jessica looks like the star of the show, and she looks good – classy, poised, friendly, happy, professional, and, dare I say, attractive. Whoever took this shot (it does look like several were taken at once from different angles) captured her better than the President.

    wait, no wonder this Ann person is upset. How dare a woman look both powerful and attractive? OMG she must be using her BOOBS!

  36. SMC
    SMC September 16, 2006 at 2:57 pm |

    Jessica: I’m not judging you by your looks. (Don’t flatter yourself.)
    That has got to be one of the most obnoxiously patronizing and sexist comments I’ve read in recent history. Some “feminist”…

  37. Natalia
    Natalia September 16, 2006 at 7:36 pm |

    I went over there and trolled.

    This woman will never get it, but I needed a release valve from this insanity.

  38. ursi
    ursi September 16, 2006 at 8:34 pm |

    Freaking awesome, Jill. Calling it like it is! Cheers for the honesty!

  39. Kewalo
    Kewalo September 16, 2006 at 9:01 pm |

    Thanks for the good post. I am older then Althouse and I only have the highest opinions of you young feminists. I’m proud of you all and admire your courage in the face of such slime as we’ve seen on the Althouse website.

    She is a liar if she calls herself a feminist. Good feminist women don’t smear other women in this way. She is more the Eagle Forum type of woman, they’ve tried to use our sexuality against us for 40 years now. I’m delighted to see that your reaction is exactly what mine would have been years ago,(and still is actually) the middle finger salute. Thanks again for all you are doing.

  40. Paul Rosenberg
    Paul Rosenberg September 17, 2006 at 6:08 am |

    Ann Althouse had credibility?

    Who knew?

  41. belledame222
    belledame222 September 17, 2006 at 9:36 am |

    >I noticed that question, too, and I do think that it’s worthy of consideration. Given the general context, however, I suspect that the question is intended to be an anti-Clinton canard rather than start a serious discussion thread on feminism.>

    You know, I’m not his biggest fan these days either (for reasons mostly unrelated to MonicaGate), but I honestly wouldn’t even go that far: it’s not a terrifically valid or at least interesting question, no, in my book. it’s perfectly obvious what she’s doing there; he’s an EX-PRESIDENT. It’s an honor, for fuckssake. Yah, I think Clinton’s at minimum behaved in rather irresponsible ways, and no, at the end of the day i don’t know how much veracity there is to the other harassment stories–and once again having to reiterate that consensual adultery, even with a young intern, =! “harassment.” Not a really swell or ethical idea on many levels, sure, and that goes triple for his weaselling and leaving her hanging out to dry when the flying monkeys came; but of course the REALLY disgusting part came from the flying monkeys themselves…

    But I mean, really: what really sucks (pun probably intended) about the residual odor from that whole TIRED goddam mess is that even among people who pretty much know better, the general aura of “Clinton=perv, somehow more sinister or at least beyond the pale than any other goddam politician.” The flying monkeys really did a good job, here. And it’s the same exact fucking thing they’d like to happen with Jessica: fling enough shit and some will stick.

    Which is why there simply cannot be enough piling on for this odious behavior. Take it right back to the place where you got it; you cain’t leave a bit of it in here. And THEN some.

    so, back to Clinton and rightness of a feminist meeting with him: irrelevant. Even if you -do- think the worst of his behavior in office. Listen, I wouldn’t have faulted her for going to lunch with GHWH Bush, either; or any other current or former President, none of whom perhaps exempting Jimmy Carter is/was exactly a saint. (current Fearless Leader/sonny boy, I would probably make an exception, but you know it’s cuz i feel REALLY strongly that he is in fact the Debbil; others’ mileage may vary on even that, and i -might- have trouble really arguing with them for something like this) This is what people do. You don’t have to be ideologically or ethically married to the guy to accept that it is an honor and, well, accept.

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  43. Tuomas
    Tuomas September 18, 2006 at 1:01 am |

    What the hell?

    OMG, breasts!

    :D

  44. Tuomas
    Tuomas September 18, 2006 at 1:20 am |

    To clarify: I think what Althouse did was wrong, and quite comical, too. I probably would find it more infuriating than funny if I were a woman, though.

  45. Mad Kane's Notables
    Mad Kane's Notables September 18, 2006 at 4:15 am |

    Ode To Ann Althouse

    Poor Ann Althouse! Jessica Valenti looked discernibly female in a blogger group photo with Bill Clinton, and Ann is aghast, appalled, and dismayed! Ann deserves a limerick, don’t you think?

  46. Natalia Antonova
    Natalia Antonova September 18, 2006 at 9:30 am |

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  48. Jon Swift
    Jon Swift September 18, 2006 at 9:31 pm |

    Putting the Word Breasts in This Title…

    I began to wonder if Professor Althouse and Dr. Smith weren’t engaging in a little cyberbullying.

  49. wildstarryskies
    wildstarryskies September 19, 2006 at 8:58 pm |

    *blush*

    I looked at the picture, thought, “Looks like a nice group of bloggers”, then looked again, and thought, “Oooh, who’s that hottie?”, right there at ya, Jessica.

    But not ONCE did I think you were posing or thought even less of you! My next thought was, “Oooh, Jessica of Feministing is a hottie. KEWL.”

    OMG this brings us to a verry important conclusion:

    A woman can be:

    1. A hottie
    2. Smart
    3. A heckuva blogger
    and 4. a kick-ass feminist to boot.

    Gosh, who knew?

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