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	<title>Comments on: Shorter Dawn Eden: Chill out, ladies, you&#8217;ve got all the silly rights you need!</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Catholic Pillow Fight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catholic Pillow Fight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Quote of the Day&lt;/strong&gt;

&quot;And bodily autonomy is a basic human right.&quot; -- Jill Fillipovic</description>
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<p>&#8220;And bodily autonomy is a basic human right.&#8221; &#8212; Jill Fillipovic</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia Antonova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia Antonova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] foghorn to the ear. In light of all this, idiots who claim that women in this country have &#8220;a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] foghorn to the ear. In light of all this, idiots who claim that women in this country have &#8220;a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/04/shorter-dawn-eden-chill-out-ladies-youve-got-all-the-silly-rights-you-need/#comment-67387</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to have substantive engagement, Dawn would have to offer some substance to engage.

But no, she offers tired talking points and lies.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to have substantive engagement, Dawn would have to offer some substance to engage.</p>
<p>But no, she offers tired talking points and lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/04/shorter-dawn-eden-chill-out-ladies-youve-got-all-the-silly-rights-you-need/#comment-67385</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenician in a time of Romans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What seems to be lacking, however, is substantive engagement.&lt;/i&gt;

Dude, we&#039;ve &lt;b&gt;had&lt;/b&gt; substantive engagement.  We got banned on her blog because of it.

Now we&#039;re just mocking her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What seems to be lacking, however, is substantive engagement.</i></p>
<p>Dude, we&#8217;ve <b>had</b> substantive engagement.  We got banned on her blog because of it.</p>
<p>Now we&#8217;re just mocking her.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem, Zuzu, wrong thread.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Oh, hey, golly gee gosh, people, did we so soon forget the rape camps in Serbia? The whole idea was that the Serbians, who were pretty much racially indistinct from the Bosnians yet culturally so, were going to “breed out” the Bosnians by raping and impregnating Bosnian women. In rape camps.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If it is not pointed out, it doesn&#039;t mean that it is forgotten. 

The example you point out is bit different rape as a tactic of war, as in your example, Serbs have essentially gained possession of the women, and thus &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; raise the babies as Serbs. In rape-run scenario, the babies might just as well be raised Albanians. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem, Zuzu, wrong thread.</p>
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Oh, hey, golly gee gosh, people, did we so soon forget the rape camps in Serbia? The whole idea was that the Serbians, who were pretty much racially indistinct from the Bosnians yet culturally so, were going to “breed out” the Bosnians by raping and impregnating Bosnian women. In rape camps.
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<p>If it is not pointed out, it doesn&#8217;t mean that it is forgotten. </p>
<p>The example you point out is bit different rape as a tactic of war, as in your example, Serbs have essentially gained possession of the women, and thus <i>can</i> raise the babies as Serbs. In rape-run scenario, the babies might just as well be raised Albanians.</p>
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		<title>By: Tapetum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tapetum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cantemir - I would say rather, that it&#039;s plain that you&#039;re not going to be persuaded on the issue of parasitism. I maintain that it&#039;s a pretty accurate image, but not one that I&#039;m married to. Contrariwise the right to protect my life and health on my own terms is one I&#039;ll fight for, and fight hard, and so not a topic I&#039;m liable to drop under any circumstances. I&#039;ve argued it repeatedly on Dawn&#039;s blog, and will undoubtedly argue it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cantemir &#8211; I would say rather, that it&#8217;s plain that you&#8217;re not going to be persuaded on the issue of parasitism. I maintain that it&#8217;s a pretty accurate image, but not one that I&#8217;m married to. Contrariwise the right to protect my life and health on my own terms is one I&#8217;ll fight for, and fight hard, and so not a topic I&#8217;m liable to drop under any circumstances. I&#8217;ve argued it repeatedly on Dawn&#8217;s blog, and will undoubtedly argue it again.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, hey, golly gee gosh, people, did we so soon forget the rape camps in Serbia?  The whole idea was that the Serbians, who were pretty much racially indistinct from the Bosnians yet culturally so, were going to &quot;breed out&quot; the Bosnians by raping and impregnating Bosnian women.  In rape camps.

It hasn&#039;t been so very long at all.  Have we forgotten this yet somehow managed to remember WWII? 

Tuomas, I know WWII is a particularly sensitive issue for the Finns, but surely you couldn&#039;t have forgotten the far more recent example of rape as a war tactic right on your own continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, hey, golly gee gosh, people, did we so soon forget the rape camps in Serbia?  The whole idea was that the Serbians, who were pretty much racially indistinct from the Bosnians yet culturally so, were going to &#8220;breed out&#8221; the Bosnians by raping and impregnating Bosnian women.  In rape camps.</p>
<p>It hasn&#8217;t been so very long at all.  Have we forgotten this yet somehow managed to remember WWII? </p>
<p>Tuomas, I know WWII is a particularly sensitive issue for the Finns, but surely you couldn&#8217;t have forgotten the far more recent example of rape as a war tactic right on your own continent.</p>
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		<title>By: donna darko</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna darko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women always say they&#039;ll go to England if they need an abortion post-Roe.</description>
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		<title>By: donna darko</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna darko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is England pretty liberal wrt abortion?</description>
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		<title>By: PLN</title>
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		<dc:creator>PLN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Raincitygirl
&lt;blockquote&gt;Second lowest is Germany, with very similar social attitudes and easy access to abortion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Germany is rather interesting, to my rather untutored self, because the laws actually look fairly strict on paper.  The German constitution has expressly held fetal life to be a constitutional value; counseling is mandatory; only first-trimester abortions seem to be permitted &#039;on demand.&#039;  (See &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Germany&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://annualreview.law.harvard.edu/population/abortion/GERMANY.abo.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)

I&#039;m honestly not sure what to take away from this--possibly optimism that a healthily liberal attitude towards contraception and sexuality can exist even within a constitutionally pro-life state?  Pessimism that Europe isn&#039;t all that feminist either?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Raincitygirl</p>
<blockquote><p>Second lowest is Germany, with very similar social attitudes and easy access to abortion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Germany is rather interesting, to my rather untutored self, because the laws actually look fairly strict on paper.  The German constitution has expressly held fetal life to be a constitutional value; counseling is mandatory; only first-trimester abortions seem to be permitted &#8216;on demand.&#8217;  (See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Germany" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://annualreview.law.harvard.edu/population/abortion/GERMANY.abo.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m honestly not sure what to take away from this&#8211;possibly optimism that a healthily liberal attitude towards contraception and sexuality can exist even within a constitutionally pro-life state?  Pessimism that Europe isn&#8217;t all that feminist either?</p>
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