after fighting with a Jewish community and sending away the men, married a Jewish woman and that many of his more prominent descendents had this woman as a mother. This was something that didn’t matter to anyone at the time because of the exact sort of maternal non-inheritance being discussed.

Islamic law states that both religion and “Origins” (arabic: Asl) is passed on by the father. I’m curious in this scenario what each respective religion thinks the child is born into…

Tuomas: I suspect the getting off part isn’t of physical kind, but more of an emotional kind: Sadism and hate, making “their (enemy) child” suffer, manifestation of power. Not necessarily sexual pleasure.

So we agree that rape is a war crime, then. After all, what Mengele did was sate his hatred on non-combatants, and I’m pretty sure we all consider that a war crime.

Yes!! You’ve finally gotten it!! You ARE being *incredibly* pedantic! And this is coming from someone who is very, VERY picky about an awful lot of crap in this world, including word useage and history. I get nailed for being too fucking precise all the damned time, so I get where you are coming from. However, with all due respect, you derail threads with that pedantism.

I’ll try to avoid the derailing part.

Answer me this one: if these are just guys “looking to get off” (clue phone, BTW: use one of the two hands god gave you for that), WHY are they assaulting toddlers?!? I can’t even wrap my brain around the physical *mechanics* of that; besides being anatomically difficult, it squidges me waaaaay the fuck out. *shudders*

I suspect the getting off part isn’t of physical kind, but more of an emotional kind: Sadism and hate, making “their (enemy) child” suffer, manifestation of power. Not necessarily sexual pleasure.

So, having a child by, for example, a Jewish woman would not make the child Jewish.

Actually, this is exactly wrong, but for exactly the reason under discussion. Jewish law provides that the child of a Jewish mother is Jewish, regardless of who the father is; it doesn’t work the same way for the father being Jewish. IIRC (and Actual Jewish People, correct me if I’m wrong here), the reason is that the Romans held patriarchal views about parentage, and felt that by raping Jewish women, their Jewish identity would disappear, because the resulting children would be Romans. The Jews said, fine, if you’re going to play that game, we’re going to change OUR rules of lineage to nullify what you’re doing.

Tuomas replied:
But they’re wrong.

It just sounded like cleansing was a bad word, as it invokes thoughts of racial purity and all that crap.

Or I’m just being incredibly pedantic.

Laurie sez:
Yes!! You’ve finally gotten it!! You ARE being *incredibly* pedantic! And this is coming from someone who is very, VERY picky about an awful lot of crap in this world, including word useage and history. I get nailed for being too fucking precise all the damned time, so I get where you are coming from. However, with all due respect, you derail threads with that pedantism. You trivialize what is actually going on with your narrow definitions/interpretations, and all that does is make it more difficult for us to discuss said actual events.

Get it through your skull — to many people (men) around the world, women are simply vessels. They are not people. And therefore, they do not count. Period. End of discussion. What is “sown” in them by men counts, and those babies are NOT considered to be whatever ethnicity is under attack this time. (Cecily had an awesome point as to how this works to disrupt the culture above.) Besides which, rape is a handy way to demoralize an enitre population, men and women alike, particularly if the men value their women in any way OTHER than property.

Answer me this one: if these are just guys “looking to get off” (clue phone, BTW: use one of the two hands god gave you for that), WHY are they assaulting toddlers?!? I can’t even wrap my brain around the physical *mechanics* of that; besides being anatomically difficult, it squidges me waaaaay the fuck out. *shudders*

Because in many people’s minds, the ethnicity of the mother is *irrelevent* — what she is bearing as the product of rape is another child of (fill in the blank) descent. Wrap your head around that, Tuomas — you are giving these people far, far too much credit for logic.

But they’re wrong.

It just sounded like cleansing was a bad word, as it invokes thoughts of racial purity and all that crap.

Or I’m just being incredibly pedantic.