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  1. Amber
    Amber October 11, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    I had no idea. I read it through the RSS feed, and rarely click through to comment. Deleted from my favorites, just on principle.

  2. Lesley
    Lesley October 11, 2006 at 10:24 am |

    What Violet said, plus I think that a lot of the regular commenters and readers there would not knowingly/willingly drive traffic to a site that would help increase the search engine rankings of a porn site. Since Amp didn’t let us know his arrangement, we were doing exactly that without our knowledge and consent. I’m sorry, but a committed pro-feminist would not put women in that position. What happened to our agency, our right to decide something like that? He decided for us.

  3. Maureen
    Maureen October 11, 2006 at 10:37 am |

    Man, this makes the Pie Fight at Kos look like nothing. I consider myself relatively porn-neutral (most of it sucks, but it’s freedom of speech), but he should have told everyone about the agreement when the papers were signed.

    I think I’ll delink him.

  4. anon
    anon October 11, 2006 at 10:53 am |

    Yep, I unsubscribed from Alas upon learning about this. While I’m no anti-porn crusader, 1) it was handled supremely badly as noted and 2) the types of porn that my traffic would be supporting are particularly vile — as Heart noted it’s not even women-owned porn or anything like that. While I have many issues with Heart, she was on the money with this one. So to speak.

  5. Karolena
    Karolena October 11, 2006 at 10:57 am |

    Amp wrote,

    “I was assured by the buyer that he would never host porn sites on ‘amptoons.com.’ And I wrote into the contract that his link on ‘Alas’ could never be a direct link to a porn site.”

  6. Jill
    Jill October 11, 2006 at 11:04 am | *

    Wow. Not a good move, Amp.

    But now you guys won’t be as mad to find out that I’ve sold Feministe.us to Pajamas Media, right?

  7. Ginger
    Ginger October 11, 2006 at 11:13 am |

    This is disappointing, but it also illustrates a lesson that many feminist women have to learn: a lot of “pro-feminist” men talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.

  8. ddddddddddddddd
    ddddddddddddddd October 11, 2006 at 11:21 am |

    i cannot believe this shit. what a mother fucker.

    i won’t be going to the site again. dammit.
    no firedoglake
    no alas

    and they have a lot of good round ups. what a disappointment, and frankly a pathetic excuse, there are plenty of ways to make money with out the use of porn, esp on what is supposed to be a female friendly site.

    THANK YOU for reporting this, they are officially off my list and i am pissed. and i agree with the comment:

    “Lauren notes:

    Some may think this is small beans, but in a community where sexual politics are so very personal, as well as political, this is an enormous business gaffe of exceeding irony. Of all the things one can do to save a buck, making money off the backs (and mouths and pussies) of women is not one that I encourage for a feminist man.
    Not to mention the always necessary addition of “ethnic” porn for the discerning crowd.

    If there is no shame, Barry, don’t bother lying about it. ”

    I am really disgusted, I am not anti porn necess, but the way the industry stands now, it is not one to be supported. if there was a degree of regulation – can’t be under 21 to film, no violence, no ass to mouth or other health, pain or dignity issues, as well of course as real women who actually enjoy sex and are shown having real orgasms. but the way it stand now, most porn is violent and hateful towards women. i would have respected him if he had started advertising for goodvibes or something like that, but this crosses the line. what a jerk. on one hand there are links to feminists blogs and the round up of negative adn violent treatments and in teh next breath he is making MONEY off the exploitation of women.

    what a jerk!!!!!!! dammit. they have lost all credibility. period.

    there are other ways to make money that don’t exploit people. what next, linking to companies whose products are made by child labor or slave labor bc he can make a buck? jesus, i guess he has no standards.

    good lord, what incredibly bad judgement. what an idiot. there are a lot of ways to make money in the blogosphere. wonder how much “Rape porn” is now connected in some small way to alas…

    disgusting.

  9. piny
    piny October 11, 2006 at 11:22 am |

    “I was assured by the buyer that he would never host porn sites on ‘amptoons.com.’ And I wrote into the contract that his link on ‘Alas’ could never be a direct link to a porn site.”

    I’m a luddite, so I didn’t realize how equivocal this was at first, or completely understand the financial implications of selling the domain name. I read it on Alas and registered it as, “Oh, okay: no porn.” I assumed that any arrangement that didn’t work out to no porn wouldn’t be acceptable to Amp. That was naive, obviously; porn is to internet commerce as water is to the human body. And, yeah, I don’t appreciate the way the announcement was handled, either–Amp tends to focus on conflict avoidance, but that sometimes works out to cowardice.

  10. Lya Kahlo
    Lya Kahlo October 11, 2006 at 11:35 am |

    “This is disappointing, but it also illustrates a lesson that many feminist women have to learn: a lot of “pro-feminist” men talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk. ”

    This is me cheering. This is unfortunate, but definitely a truth that we need to make note of. Though in my experience most boys seem to think being pro-feminist means being pro-porn.

  11. Sour Duck
    Sour Duck October 11, 2006 at 11:45 am |

    Just a quick note: The announcement has been re-posted at Alas and the comments are open.

  12. R. Mildred
    R. Mildred October 11, 2006 at 12:19 pm |

    Ugh, selling his domain to porn is one thing, selling it to skeevey porn is another entirely.

    But now you guys won’t be as mad to find out that I’ve sold Feministe.us to Pajamas Media, right?

    Only so long as no one minds me selling the punkass (and pandagon) server to Rupert Murdoch for a small pony.

    I hope Ampersand does the sensible thing and finds a new domain, his current one may be pwned, but as long as he doesn’t fuck up too much in the reaction (though mouth breathing squibs seem to be attacking alot of pro-feminists at the moment *stares at Marc’s recent displays*) he should be salvagable.

  13. Sniper
    Sniper October 11, 2006 at 12:22 pm |

    “Ethnic porn?” No, don’t tell me. I can live the rest of my life without knowing.

  14. nerdlet
    nerdlet October 11, 2006 at 1:09 pm |

    Oh, Sniper. Women come in different flavors, you know? You wouldn’t want to accidentially get a Spicy Latina while you’re in the mood for a vanilla white girl, so everyone who’s not a white girl gets their own little category – not because they’re all the same, but because they’re all so different, you know? Different flavors of meat.

    And fuck. This is hugely disappinting. Unless he is making masses of money off of this, enough to get himself out of some kind of immediate debt, I don’t see how Heart’s post about alternatives is any less true. Ads would be infinitely better.

  15. Sniper
    Sniper October 11, 2006 at 1:24 pm |

    Geez, thanks nerdlet. There goes my lunch.

  16. Lis Riba
    Lis Riba October 11, 2006 at 1:27 pm |

    I know this may sound stupid or trollish, but where’s the porn content on amptoons.com? The domain root (www.amptoons.com) and blog page appear unchanged to me.

    Is this just a potential concern about what the buyer *might* do, or has something happened on the website that I missed?

  17. Lis Riba
    Lis Riba October 11, 2006 at 1:30 pm |

    Nevermind, just saw the link to reviews.amptoons.com.
    HOWEVER, since reviews.amptoons and http://www.amptoons are different subdomains, how much will that actually influence search engine rankings?

  18. Ginger
    Ginger October 11, 2006 at 1:32 pm |

    I hope she doesn’t mind my linking this – funniekins makes some terrific points here. ‘Tis brilliant, so I had to share. Props, funnie.

  19. piny
    piny October 11, 2006 at 1:45 pm |

    Yeerg. I think I’ll confine my sniping to this comments thread, then.

  20. Byron
    Byron October 11, 2006 at 2:05 pm |

    zuzu and others: Visiting amptoons.com does not increase the pagerank at all. Google doesn’t care about hit counts, it only cares about links. Linking to amptoons.com will increase its page rank slightly, and so it will have more pagerank to give to review.amptoons.com (the site that does the linking to the porn sites) in turn.

    As near as I can tell, there’s only the single link from http://www.amptoons.com/ (not even the /blog/ page) that goes to the review site. So don’t worry about improving the Google pagerank by visiting, just linking.

  21. Txfeminist
    Txfeminist October 11, 2006 at 3:05 pm |

    Ironically, I notice that it was a man whom Amp quoted, and who apparently influenced Amp to re-open the debate.

    Yesterday there were at least a dozen posts on women’s blogs about it. But he doens’t respond til the other man tells him to. That about says it all right there.

    Innerestin’ all right. And I’m very dissapointed.

  22. Lauren
    Lauren October 11, 2006 at 3:26 pm |

    Amp posted a response to me at my blog. Thought others might be interested in his response.

  23. KnifeGhost
    KnifeGhost October 11, 2006 at 3:36 pm |

    This is disappointing, but it also illustrates a lesson that many feminist women have to learn: a lot of “pro-feminist” men talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.

    Very true, and very frustrating.

    But it’s not like there haven’t been other indications that Amp doesn’t. Fucking. Get it.

    He’s ruined his credibility, and he’ll have to live with it.

  24. ScottM
    ScottM October 11, 2006 at 6:17 pm |

    While you may not be fond of Barry for this or other reasons, he serves an awfully useful function. His site is a great introduction to feminism. Until I stumbled on his site via his political cartoons, I had probably had less than 30 minutes of focused thought on feminism in my whole life.

    Far more, through him, I found many other feminst sites– sites there’s no way I’d have investigated without the handholding posts on his site when I began my exploration.

    Since many commenters have said they’re not going to visit his site, I will report that he expands on his regrets in comments and asks for useful action he can take to help mitigate the damage he’s done.

  25. nyarly
    nyarly October 12, 2006 at 1:28 am |

    …he expands on his regrets in comments and asks for useful action he can take to help mitigate the damage he’s done.

    Oh, well, maybe he can “meet with feminist leaders to ‘discern the appropriate path for healing.'” I mean, really, that’s all you have to do after you fuck up really bad, right? Say you’re sorry and imply that if you could do anything to fix it, you would. (How convenient that you… can’t.)

    It worked for Mel Gibson, after all.

  26. hk
    hk October 12, 2006 at 7:49 am |

    I read about this last month when he first announced it. Honestly it doesn’t bother me all that much. I wish he could have found a different way to support his site, but it is his site sell and I’ll keep reading it.

  27. Daran
    Daran October 12, 2006 at 11:17 am |

    As near as I can tell, there’s only the single link from http://www.amptoons.com/ (not even the /blog/ page) that goes to the review site. So don’t worry about improving the Google pagerank by visiting, just linking.

    Actually there is a link to the reviews site on every page in the blog. Only the non-blog (mostly cartoon stuff) isn’t linked.

    But you’re right that merely visiting the site doesn’t affect the pagerank.

  28. Loosely Twisted
    Loosely Twisted October 12, 2006 at 4:07 pm |

    Yeah it’s better not to say anything and appologize if you fuck up then it is to ask for permission.. Far be it for him to think of the Others. Isn’t that male privilege at it’s finest?

    Then turn around and deny that it was meant the way you took it, making it your fault. :(

    Removed his link, I shall not support a faux feminist man. Though I kinda had a feeling months and months back when he supported all the stupid male trolls on his site and banned Ginmar. But this definately screams faux news to me. Pun intended.

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