Now it’s beginning to sound like some kid on a playground going “Well, I want to a Fireman, so don’t you say mean things about firemen, cuz my dad is one too and they’re the best!” People give Lawyers shit all the time — how many lawyer jokes have you heard? People give strippers a hard time. People flipping burgers for less than one quarter of what a pilot makes are given a hard time. MOVE ON. Your profession is hardly “slurred” and unsalvageable because Zuzu said some guy did a shitty job of it.

You’re slurring her. You’re slurring the pilot who crashed into the building (who, by the by, was a STUDENT pilot in horrible conditions).

Loosely Twisted:
Wrong. 767 are HUGE airplanes. This plane was a single engine. Big, big, big difference. I know the pictures make it seem like there were small planes, but those are some of the largest commercial planes there are, versus this little plane which was a two-seater (if that).

(Someone upthread mentioned living near Teterborough airport and fearing plane accidents — I guess we’re two sides of the same coin.)

Does that equate projection and a bit of a guilty conscious, hmm?

I know when my ex husband did the projecting on to me by calling me a liar, I had to develop some awesomely good detective skills to find out wtf he was lying about again. Defense mechanisms work so weirdly sometimes.

But ultimately, Zuzu didn’t do anything wrong here. Your projecting, and privelging yourself just like a guy would when a girl refers to a guy who’s raped her.

If you weren’t involved then it wasn’t meant for you personally.
If you take it as such and accuse someone of saying “All men are rapists!11eleventy11!!” You have the issues, not the one saying it.

ON TOPIC:

Isn’t it odd how they mentioned that the building didn’t fall. Isn’t it also odd that the planes weren’t that much different? Oh, man are they going to have a hard time explaining why TWO ginormous buildings collapsed /w two small planes hitting them, and this medium sized building didn’t.

I wonder what this evidence will spawn next. I studied architecture and my favorite subject of all time is physics. Bet you can guess which camp I am in?

I spent all of last year living at 68th and 1st — four street blocks and one avenue from the building at East 72nd. Kind of scary. And you bet your ass that when I saw at the gym that a plane had hit a building on the Upper East Side, I freaked out a little bit. And I breathed a major sigh of relief when I realized that it was “just” an accident. I think that zuzu’s post reflects the tension that a lot of us here feel when something like this happens — we want it to just be a “shitty pilot,” because that’s short-hand for “not intentional.” Mistaken short-hand in many instances, sure. But an off-the-cuff remark about a highly stressful situation that probably does not warrant all of these criticisms.

If I call you a shitty lawyer for losing a case, do you take offense? Do you enjoy that? I take a very personal pride in my flying skills, my tiny little pin with wings on it is my most prized possession. Call me a shitty pilot for crashing (I haven’t, and don’t have any particular plans to either) and I will be personally offended. Presumably, this pilot would be offended by the same, and I stand up for my fellow aviators, just like you would probably stand up for a fellow lawyer, because you hope that someday if needed they would do the same for you, because you feel a sense of pride in what you do.

You know, you really, REALLY seem to have a problem with differentiating between someone calling you to your face a shitty X, and interpreting someone calling some entirely unrelated person a shitty X as calling YOU a shitty X.

As you said, you haven’t crashed. So you are not in the group of people covered by “shitty pilot” in my post. In fact, there are two possible candidates for that sobriquet, and since you are sitting at your computer telling me what a horrible person I am instead of being scraped off E. 72nd Street, then you are not one of the two people. Get over it already.

If I call you a shitty lawyer for losing a case, do you take offense? Do you enjoy that? I take a very personal pride in my flying skills, my tiny little pin with wings on it is my most prized possession. Call me a shitty pilot for crashing (I haven’t, and don’t have any particular plans to either) and I will be personally offended. Presumably, this pilot would be offended by the same, and I stand up for my fellow aviators, just like you would probably stand up for a fellow lawyer, because you hope that someday if needed they would do the same for you, because you feel a sense of pride in what you do.

I work in the most legally regulated industry to be found in the US. What I do, what I love to do, is dictated very much by lawyers, and it would not be hard for me to be contemptible to you. I’m not, because I think most Lawyers do all sorts of good stuff for people.

So yes, an apology to the Aviation community would be appreciated. We don’t appreciate being called Shitty, even if we are. It’s quite insulting, and much less than we deserve for the time, money and effort we put into learning how to do this thing.

TRH

No, you never said all pilots are shitty, but you did imply with your statement that every pilot who crashes a plane is shitty.

Where? No, really, where?

If I sounded off on my blog that some lawyer got a guy off and then said it was a result of “all of those evil lawyers” you probably would be offended.

Or not. People have been making lawyer jokes for centuries. I do my job nonetheless.

You have an even bigger responsiblity because you have a higher traffic.

Responsibility to do what? Anticipate that someone might personalize something I say and feel wounded? Look, I’m just one person on the internet. See Jill’s post above as to why we’re not role models here.

But you’re the one who’s not admitting to doing anything wrong: you’re the one who’s dragging this out by not caring about people who read your blog.

I’m supposed to be holding your hand or something? If you want me to “admit” to doing something “wrong,” you’re going to have to make a valid argument that I did actually do something wrong. Which you haven’t. Saying that I implied that all pilots were shitty pilots doesn’t make it true. If I thought that, I’d never get in another plane. Just because you made an inference doesn’t mean there was an implication.