Comments on: A Christian and a Muslim walk into the DMV… http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:50:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: J Smith http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70575 J Smith Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:17:01 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70575 Both arguments are a bit daft, but I don't see that it shows a pattern of discrimination. The Xian ruling was from the 8th Circuit, a <em>federal </em>intermediate appellate court. The Muslim ruling was from the Florida Court of Appeals, an intermediate <em>state </em>appellate court. If these were from the same jurisdiction, or the same panel (intermediate courts are typically composed of panels of different judges), then I'd say discrimination. As it stands, the 8th Circuit rendered what seems, at first blush, a remarkably stupid opinion. Both arguments are a bit daft, but I don’t see that it shows a pattern of discrimination. The Xian ruling was from the 8th Circuit, a federal intermediate appellate court. The Muslim ruling was from the Florida Court of Appeals, an intermediate state appellate court. If these were from the same jurisdiction, or the same panel (intermediate courts are typically composed of panels of different judges), then I’d say discrimination. As it stands, the 8th Circuit rendered what seems, at first blush, a remarkably stupid opinion.

]]> By: DAS http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70457 DAS Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:01:48 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70457 <i>But yeah, the point about handling cash is a good one, I think: Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy (rarely) and all those guys.</i> - Mikey S But there is an exeption with that, so long as she pays her taxes -- ya know: "render unto Caesar". I'm wondering, though -- how does this woman spend her Saturdays? Did she refuse to take an "oath" at the trial, lest she even accidently mis-state something and thus accidently take the Lord's name in vain? It really wouldn't be that much of a sin, but if you're going out of your way to erect a proper fence around the law so that you don't even look at pictures (which, btw, are not graven), you ought to do your best to avoid making vain oaths, nu? And the 10 commandments are not the only commandments. If she is so keen on following the word of God, does she proclaim God's unity every morning and evening? And does she go by the verses following that proclaimation and commendment? E.g. does she teach them dilligently to her children? Does she bind them as a sign upon her hand and let them be for frontlets between her eyes (i.e. is she laying t'fillin?)? Does she post them on the doorposts of her house and on her gates? Etc. The Christian woman can make this complaint when even J.D. Hayworth's hatchet-couple cannot assail her lack of religiosity and when she follows the 613 better than even Holy Joe. Until then, isn't she being a hypocrite to pull one verse out of the Bible and ignore so many of the rest? But yeah, the point about handling cash is a good one, I think: Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy (rarely) and all those guys. – Mikey S

But there is an exeption with that, so long as she pays her taxes — ya know: “render unto Caesar”.

I’m wondering, though — how does this woman spend her Saturdays? Did she refuse to take an “oath” at the trial, lest she even accidently mis-state something and thus accidently take the Lord’s name in vain? It really wouldn’t be that much of a sin, but if you’re going out of your way to erect a proper fence around the law so that you don’t even look at pictures (which, btw, are not graven), you ought to do your best to avoid making vain oaths, nu?

And the 10 commandments are not the only commandments. If she is so keen on following the word of God, does she proclaim God’s unity every morning and evening? And does she go by the verses following that proclaimation and commendment? E.g. does she teach them dilligently to her children? Does she bind them as a sign upon her hand and let them be for frontlets between her eyes (i.e. is she laying t’fillin?)? Does she post them on the doorposts of her house and on her gates? Etc.

The Christian woman can make this complaint when even J.D. Hayworth’s hatchet-couple cannot assail her lack of religiosity and when she follows the 613 better than even Holy Joe. Until then, isn’t she being a hypocrite to pull one verse out of the Bible and ignore so many of the rest?

]]> By: Natalia http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70428 Natalia Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:10:31 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70428 Both of these women are batshit nuts. Both of these women are batshit nuts.

]]> By: Sailorman http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70411 Sailorman Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:30:18 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70411 That's almost like a classic compare-and-contrast assignment with the recent British Airways decision raising such a fuss overseas: Employees at the counter can't display crosses, but muslims can wear turbans and hijabs (which ordinarily violate the BA dress codes). Personally, I don't think the christian woman should have gotten a license. But that said, i don't think the muslim woman should have been allowed to abstain from a full-face photo either. I also note (for those who don't know this) that these are two different courts, so the "inconsistency" isn't all that odd. That’s almost like a classic compare-and-contrast assignment with the recent British Airways decision raising such a fuss overseas: Employees at the counter can’t display crosses, but muslims can wear turbans and hijabs (which ordinarily violate the BA dress codes).

Personally, I don’t think the christian woman should have gotten a license. But that said, i don’t think the muslim woman should have been allowed to abstain from a full-face photo either.

I also note (for those who don’t know this) that these are two different courts, so the “inconsistency” isn’t all that odd.

]]> By: A Blog Around The Clock http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70398 A Blog Around The Clock Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:32:19 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70398 <strong>Obligatory Reading of the Day - Femiphobia</strong> Provocative and excellent post by Sara Robinson: There's Something About The Men. Most definitely read the comments as well. Then come back here in half an hour and read an old post of mine that I have scheduled for republishing... Obligatory Reading of the Day – Femiphobia

Provocative and excellent post by Sara Robinson: There’s Something About The Men. Most definitely read the comments as well. Then come back here in half an hour and read an old post of mine that I have scheduled for republishing…

]]> By: Mikey S http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70388 Mikey S Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:23:06 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70388 Wow, it's an honest-to-goodness iconoclast, right here in the 21st century! I guess I didn't study Byzantine history for nothing. But yeah, the point about handling cash is a good one, I think: Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy (rarely) and all those guys. Wow, it’s an honest-to-goodness iconoclast, right here in the 21st century! I guess I didn’t study Byzantine history for nothing. But yeah, the point about handling cash is a good one, I think: Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy (rarely) and all those guys.

]]> By: Lya Kahlo http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70386 Lya Kahlo Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:16:24 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70386 "What good does it do us to encourage this sort of, frankly, stupid behavior? " Thank you. I am left wondering the same exact thing. Since I am an atheist, and as many theists will tell you that automatically means I have no morals and no love for life*, then can I murder someone and employ this "my beliefs make me special and therefor exempt from your rules" defense? I mean what's good for the goose. . . (* - I trust that it's clear that this isn't the line of thinking here.) “What good does it do us to encourage this sort of, frankly, stupid behavior? ”

Thank you. I am left wondering the same exact thing. Since I am an atheist, and as many theists will tell you that automatically means I have no morals and no love for life*, then can I murder someone and employ this “my beliefs make me special and therefor exempt from your rules” defense? I mean what’s good for the goose. . .

(* – I trust that it’s clear that this isn’t the line of thinking here.)

]]> By: KnifeGhost http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70347 KnifeGhost Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:57:39 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70347 Although, the purpose of a picture is to identify the card holder. If a woman wears a niqab on her driver's license picture, and she's wearing a niqab when she's pulled over, well, she's hardly misrepresenting herself. She was willing to have herself photographed, but not in a way that satisfied the DMV. (In case someone needs it pointed out -- note tongue in cheek.) Although, the purpose of a picture is to identify the card holder. If a woman wears a niqab on her driver’s license picture, and she’s wearing a niqab when she’s pulled over, well, she’s hardly misrepresenting herself.

She was willing to have herself photographed, but not in a way that satisfied the DMV.

(In case someone needs it pointed out — note tongue in cheek.)

]]> By: Raging Moderate http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70308 Raging Moderate Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:50:27 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70308 <blockquote>Personally, I don’t think either of them should have been issued a license. Ridiculous.</blockquote> Amen.

Personally, I don’t think either of them should have been issued a license. Ridiculous.

Amen.

]]> By: Marian http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70266 Marian Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:17:46 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/19/a-christian-and-a-muslim-walk-into-the-dmv/#comment-70266 She's not even interpreting the Bible verse correctly!! The verse means images of GOD....what, does she think she's God? She’s not even interpreting the Bible verse correctly!! The verse means images of GOD….what, does she think she’s God?

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