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	<title>Comments on: Women, Girls and Abortion</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-72334</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with parental notification laws is that they sound like a good idea if you don&#039;t think it through.  I have a young daughter, and should she ever find herself needing an abortion, I like to think that she&#039;d tell me.

If I stop thinking &lt;em&gt;right then&lt;/em&gt;, because I have to push something and get out of the voting booth because this voting thing is making me late for work, and what does one vote either way matter anyway, I might figure &quot;Sure, fine that&#039;s a good idea.  Yes.&quot;

The key to defeating this, I think, is to get it so that the &quot;no thought&quot; reaction focuses on abusive home situations.  I don&#039;t know how one accomplishes that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with parental notification laws is that they sound like a good idea if you don&#8217;t think it through.  I have a young daughter, and should she ever find herself needing an abortion, I like to think that she&#8217;d tell me.</p>
<p>If I stop thinking <em>right then</em>, because I have to push something and get out of the voting booth because this voting thing is making me late for work, and what does one vote either way matter anyway, I might figure &#8220;Sure, fine that&#8217;s a good idea.  Yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>The key to defeating this, I think, is to get it so that the &#8220;no thought&#8221; reaction focuses on abusive home situations.  I don&#8217;t know how one accomplishes that.</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; Go Dear Abby!</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-72237</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; Go Dear Abby!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pportunity to come out against parental notification laws!  It&#8217;s been well documented as of late that trying to force communication in broken* fami [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pportunity to come out against parental notification laws!  It&#8217;s been well documented as of late that trying to force communication in broken* fami [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; More Bad News for Repro Rights</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-72102</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; More Bad News for Repro Rights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] legislation that would mandate parental notification for minors seeking to have abortions. I wrote about this earlier, but it&#8217;s important to note that in O [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] legislation that would mandate parental notification for minors seeking to have abortions. I wrote about this earlier, but it&#8217;s important to note that in O [...]</p>
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		<title>By: twf</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-72006</link>
		<dc:creator>twf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was 19 when I had my abortion, so even if this law were in effect in that jurisdiction (which it never will be) I wouldn&#039;t have been bound by it.  But I was living with my mother at the time, and I did &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; tell her.  It seems the proponents of the law have this crazy fantasy family in their heads, in which everybody shares everything.  And they are willfully blind to the fact that not all families are like that.

The argument is going like this:
&quot;Families &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be able to discuss these things.&quot;
&quot;But not all families can&quot;
&quot;Well, they should!&quot;

ad infinitum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 19 when I had my abortion, so even if this law were in effect in that jurisdiction (which it never will be) I wouldn&#8217;t have been bound by it.  But I was living with my mother at the time, and I did <strong>not</strong> tell her.  It seems the proponents of the law have this crazy fantasy family in their heads, in which everybody shares everything.  And they are willfully blind to the fact that not all families are like that.</p>
<p>The argument is going like this:<br />
&#8220;Families <em>should</em> be able to discuss these things.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;But not all families can&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well, they should!&#8221;</p>
<p>ad infinitum.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesurgislac</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-71968</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesurgislac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do want to ask people who are voting for those measures if they have so little confidence in their relationship with their own kids that they want them to be compelled by law to discuss important, intimate issues with them. 

At least, I do. Parents who believe their kids don&#039;t trust them enough to tell them something as important as &quot;I&#039;m pregnant, and I plan to get an abortion&quot; really need to think about what they&#039;re publicly saying about themselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do want to ask people who are voting for those measures if they have so little confidence in their relationship with their own kids that they want them to be compelled by law to discuss important, intimate issues with them. </p>
<p>At least, I do. Parents who believe their kids don&#8217;t trust them enough to tell them something as important as &#8220;I&#8217;m pregnant, and I plan to get an abortion&#8221; really need to think about what they&#8217;re publicly saying about themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-71932</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter Scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to ask one of these &quot;parental notification&quot; fans this question: Suppose a young girl became pregnant and knew that her parents would put a lot of pressure on her to have an abortion, which she didn&#039;t want. Would you mandate notification in that case?

These laws are all about creating obstacles to abortion and harassing young women who choose that option. Anyone who pretends otherwise is either lying or kidding him/herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to ask one of these &#8220;parental notification&#8221; fans this question: Suppose a young girl became pregnant and knew that her parents would put a lot of pressure on her to have an abortion, which she didn&#8217;t want. Would you mandate notification in that case?</p>
<p>These laws are all about creating obstacles to abortion and harassing young women who choose that option. Anyone who pretends otherwise is either lying or kidding him/herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna in Portland (was Cairo)</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-71927</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna in Portland (was Cairo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In real life, there are parents that are scarily abusive and kids have to hide things from them to protect their safety.

The only solution is to have a system that protects those kids, not the abusive parents.

For non-abusive parents, the kids *don&#039;t need a law* because there will be communication in the first place.

So there is no logical response to this other than to vote against parental notification.

I read that story and thought wow, the O had a good day.  According to my mom who has been a portland resident for more than 20 years the O was recently sold out to another conglomerate (I think it already belonged to one) and has gone downhill and usually it does not have that great a news section.  But in that same edition, tehre was also a very interesting front-page story about internet addiction that was really fun to read as well.  Well maybe fun is not the right word.  Is there a 12 step program for blog commenters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In real life, there are parents that are scarily abusive and kids have to hide things from them to protect their safety.</p>
<p>The only solution is to have a system that protects those kids, not the abusive parents.</p>
<p>For non-abusive parents, the kids *don&#8217;t need a law* because there will be communication in the first place.</p>
<p>So there is no logical response to this other than to vote against parental notification.</p>
<p>I read that story and thought wow, the O had a good day.  According to my mom who has been a portland resident for more than 20 years the O was recently sold out to another conglomerate (I think it already belonged to one) and has gone downhill and usually it does not have that great a news section.  But in that same edition, tehre was also a very interesting front-page story about internet addiction that was really fun to read as well.  Well maybe fun is not the right word.  Is there a 12 step program for blog commenters?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-71923</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 Judes I get so pissed and angry, because it’s people like them that allow abuse to rage out of control because their fantasies are so damn more precious to them. It’s always about them. Always.

I&#039;m not so sure about that, Silver Owl. Laws are created by representatives that we elected (or allow to be elected). If the average middle of the road American actually learned about these issues and voted on what they learned we probably wouldn&#039;t have these extremist laws being proposed. I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the American people, especially women, and the incredible amount of apathy and self-involvement they display. I am disgusted that even though women have the most to lose, they are the hardest segment of the population to motivate politically. And yes, I can say this. I am a woman.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 Judes I get so pissed and angry, because it’s people like them that allow abuse to rage out of control because their fantasies are so damn more precious to them. It’s always about them. Always.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about that, Silver Owl. Laws are created by representatives that we elected (or allow to be elected). If the average middle of the road American actually learned about these issues and voted on what they learned we probably wouldn&#8217;t have these extremist laws being proposed. I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the American people, especially women, and the incredible amount of apathy and self-involvement they display. I am disgusted that even though women have the most to lose, they are the hardest segment of the population to motivate politically. And yes, I can say this. I am a woman.</p>
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		<title>By: Norah</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-71921</link>
		<dc:creator>Norah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Would a parental-notification law have changed the outcome of the Oregonian interviewee’s tragic story — that is, if the teen had been underage? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

 Who does Dawn think she&#039;s kidding? The only part of that story she found &quot;tragic&quot; was the abortion itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Would a parental-notification law have changed the outcome of the Oregonian interviewee’s tragic story — that is, if the teen had been underage? </p></blockquote>
<p> Who does Dawn think she&#8217;s kidding? The only part of that story she found &#8220;tragic&#8221; was the abortion itself.</p>
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		<title>By: johanna</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/25/women-girls-and-abortion/#comment-71897</link>
		<dc:creator>johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn and her supporters are so blind in their hatred of Planned Parenthood that they fail to acknowledge reality.

It&#039;s just stunning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn and her supporters are so blind in their hatred of Planned Parenthood that they fail to acknowledge reality.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just stunning.</p>
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