Comments on: Score one for the rapists http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:34:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: The Countess http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73800 The Countess Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:46:49 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73800 <strong>Very Bad Rape Decision In Maryland</strong> Update: These bloggers have talked about the Maryland rape case: The Happy Feminist, Feministing, and feministe. ----- I'm sure my readers have read elsewhere on other blogs about that horrendous decision in Maryland which concluded that once a woman ... Very Bad Rape Decision In Maryland

Update: These bloggers have talked about the Maryland rape case: The Happy Feminist, Feministing, and feministe. —– I’m sure my readers have read elsewhere on other blogs about that horrendous decision in Maryland which concluded that once a woman …

]]> By: Sheelzebub http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73770 Sheelzebub Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:52:24 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73770 I dunno--I'm reading Robert's post as saying that the <em>judges'</em> interpretation of the law is bizzare. Robert? You might wanna clarify. I dunno–I’m reading Robert’s post as saying that the judges’ interpretation of the law is bizzare. Robert? You might wanna clarify.

]]> By: Hershele Ostropoler http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73766 Hershele Ostropoler Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:39:57 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73766 What Robert claims to mean is that if two people mutually consnet to sex, and one person withdraws consent, the other person isn't a rapist retroactively but does have to stop. I'm not sure if Robert legitiately doesn't understand the ruling or is pretending not to as a way of calling us all stupid. What Robert claims to mean is that if two people mutually consnet to sex, and one person withdraws consent, the other person isn’t a rapist retroactively but does have to stop.

I’m not sure if Robert legitiately doesn’t understand the ruling or is pretending not to as a way of calling us all stupid.

]]> By: Lya Kahlo http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73760 Lya Kahlo Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:33:31 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73760 Withdrawl of conscent does make it rape. The case for this is clearly laid out in these comments. Withdrawl of conscent does make it rape. The case for this is clearly laid out in these comments.

]]> By: robert http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73668 robert Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:37:51 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73668 the ruling it was taken from makes sense (paraphrasing) if sex was started with consent, withdrawall of consent doesnt make it rape. to me that means for what has allready happened. to interpret it as you dont have to stop when told to is bizarre. the ruling it was taken from makes sense (paraphrasing)
if sex was started with consent, withdrawall of consent doesnt make it rape.
to me that means for what has allready happened.
to interpret it as you dont have to stop when told to is bizarre.

]]> By: Lya Kahlo http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73633 Lya Kahlo Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:46:09 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73633 Sheelzebub - thanks for the info. ~~ "Lya, frenchcheese’s shtick is so self-evidently bullshit no one but you wanted to bother. " No need for snarkiness. I was simply expressing surprise that no one said anything - because it was such over the top bullshit. Sheelzebub – thanks for the info.

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“Lya, frenchcheese’s shtick is so self-evidently bullshit no one but you wanted to bother. ”

No need for snarkiness. I was simply expressing surprise that no one said anything – because it was such over the top bullshit.

]]> By: Rhiannon http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73623 Rhiannon Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:03:46 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73623 The “no means no” votes are up to 66% now… yay!! <blockquote>Wow, so if I said yes to some nice vanilla sex with somone, and durring the middle of the sex, this person tied me down and violently beat and fucked me while I screamed “Oh no stop!” it would not be rape? What kind of crack are these people smoking?</blockquote> <blockquote>So if a woman agrees to be spanked during sex, can the guy just beat her to a pulp? Hey, agreement to S&M is agreement, right? These people’s (the court) brains are wired different or something; they really are weird. </blockquote> Exactly what I was thinking! <blockquote>I wish women could grow teeth with their vaginas, then we could just threaten to bite their dick off if they didn’t remove it.</blockquote> Shit! I love that idea!!! The “no means no” votes are up to 66% now… yay!!

Wow, so if I said yes to some nice vanilla sex with somone, and durring the middle of the sex, this person tied me down and violently beat and fucked me while I screamed “Oh no stop!” it would not be rape?
What kind of crack are these people smoking?

So if a woman agrees to be spanked during sex, can the guy just beat her to a pulp? Hey, agreement to S&M is agreement, right?
These people’s (the court) brains are wired different or something; they really are weird.

Exactly what I was thinking!

I wish women could grow teeth with their vaginas, then we could just threaten to bite their dick off if they didn’t remove it.

Shit! I love that idea!!!

]]> By: Lesley http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73621 Lesley Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:52:24 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73621 This conflicts me, in that I think Hershele has a point here. The circumstances of this particular case don't mean that consent shouldn't be able to be withdrawn at any time, and that it is rape if consent is withdrawn after penetration. Arguing the specifics of this case distract from that point. However, hearing the apologists regarding this case is making me angry. First, the guy said "I don't want this to be rape." You know, as a woman, there's pretty much one way to interpret that - "Even if you say no, I'm going to continue. I'd just prefer you ease my 'conscience', so I can pretend I'm not a rapist." At which point, you would feel threatened, ergo consent is not actually given. Also, the BS about the phone number. You know, first, people have explained why a woman might still continue to date a man who has raped her. I can also add, though, that in a situation in which you feel threatened, you might do anything you can to get out of it as quickly as you can. I have given out a phone number to get out of situations in which I felt physically threatened, because at least it ended that. I figured I could always ignore the phone calls. Giving out a phone number doesn't always mean you want to see the person again. It just might be easier to tell them that over the phone rather than in a face-to-face situation where you fear you might get hurt. This conflicts me, in that I think Hershele has a point here. The circumstances of this particular case don’t mean that consent shouldn’t be able to be withdrawn at any time, and that it is rape if consent is withdrawn after penetration. Arguing the specifics of this case distract from that point.

However, hearing the apologists regarding this case is making me angry. First, the guy said “I don’t want this to be rape.” You know, as a woman, there’s pretty much one way to interpret that – “Even if you say no, I’m going to continue. I’d just prefer you ease my ‘conscience’, so I can pretend I’m not a rapist.” At which point, you would feel threatened, ergo consent is not actually given.

Also, the BS about the phone number. You know, first, people have explained why a woman might still continue to date a man who has raped her. I can also add, though, that in a situation in which you feel threatened, you might do anything you can to get out of it as quickly as you can. I have given out a phone number to get out of situations in which I felt physically threatened, because at least it ended that. I figured I could always ignore the phone calls. Giving out a phone number doesn’t always mean you want to see the person again. It just might be easier to tell them that over the phone rather than in a face-to-face situation where you fear you might get hurt.

]]> By: Hershele Ostropoler http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73618 Hershele Ostropoler Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:42:09 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73618 Lya, frenchcheese's shtick is so self-evidently bullshit no one but you wanted to bother. Lya, frenchcheese’s shtick is so self-evidently bullshit no one but you wanted to bother.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73605 Thomas Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:16:59 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/score-one-for-the-rapists/#comment-73605 Jill, of course not everyone agrees with that proposition. But throwing out a bright-line rule can be a great rhetorical device. If a rape apologist takes the bait, there's not much room to retreat from it. Jill, of course not everyone agrees with that proposition. But throwing out a bright-line rule can be a great rhetorical device. If a rape apologist takes the bait, there’s not much room to retreat from it.

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