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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Kristen from MA</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74480</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen from MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT, but still: We miss you Zuzu!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, but still: We miss you Zuzu!</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74476</link>
		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not enough penises. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really?  I&#039;ve had my fill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not enough penises. </p></blockquote>
<p>Really?  I&#8217;ve had my fill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ledasmom</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74475</link>
		<dc:creator>Ledasmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Penis. Penis penis penis. Penis! 

Penis penis&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not enough penises.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Penis. Penis penis penis. Penis! </p>
<p>Penis penis</p></blockquote>
<p>Not enough penises.</p>
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		<title>By: srl</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74468</link>
		<dc:creator>srl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the national security paranoia has already started:

http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/3599232.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the national security paranoia has already started:</p>
<p><a href="http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/3599232.html" rel="nofollow">http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/3599232.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: IrrationalPoint</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74427</link>
		<dc:creator>IrrationalPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely a good step, like the UK Gender Recognition Act.  Although what I&#039;d really like to see is &quot;Gender&quot; and &quot;Sex&quot; taken off ID completely. 

--IP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely a good step, like the UK Gender Recognition Act.  Although what I&#8217;d really like to see is &#8220;Gender&#8221; and &#8220;Sex&#8221; taken off ID completely. </p>
<p>&#8211;IP</p>
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		<title>By: nexyjo</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74400</link>
		<dc:creator>nexyjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having been born in new york city, i am glad to see that they may start issuing birth certificates with ones post-transition sex.  i have an &quot;amended&quot; birth certificate with no sex marker right now.  at least it has my then legal, post-transition name on it (i&#039;ve since been married, and have taken my husband&#039;s last name).

i&#039;ll add that i&#039;ve never needed my birth certificate for anything since it&#039;s been amended.  when i moved to arizona, the dmv here simply gave me an az diver&#039;s license that mirrored my new jersey license.  i managed to get my nj dl sex marker changed, soon after 9/11, without any documentation, by simply walking up to the counter, and suggesting that &quot;they&quot; might have made an error when they &quot;mistakenly&quot; put the &quot;m&quot; under the sex field.  the woman behind the counter gave me a form to fill out, i paid my $5, they took a new picture, and i walked out the door with the elusive &quot;f&quot; in the sex field.  she didn&#039;t even want to see my passport which also had the &quot;f&quot; marker.

i doubt that could happen these days.

regarding &quot;legal gender&quot; vs. identification, as i see it, it&#039;s all about sex.  my license doesn&#039;t say &quot;gender&quot;, it says &quot;sex&quot;.  my passport doesn&#039;t say &quot;gender, it says &quot;sex&quot;.  and the state laws with which i am familiar, it&#039;s not about &quot;same gender&quot; marriage, it&#039;s about &quot;same sex&quot; marriage.  i was legally able to marry my husband because my *sex* has been changed legally, according to the documentation i&#039;ve been able to secure.  my legal sex is female.  my identification reflects my legal sex.  whether or not this would hold up in the eyes of a court of law has yet to be determined, i hope not in my life time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having been born in new york city, i am glad to see that they may start issuing birth certificates with ones post-transition sex.  i have an &#8220;amended&#8221; birth certificate with no sex marker right now.  at least it has my then legal, post-transition name on it (i&#8217;ve since been married, and have taken my husband&#8217;s last name).</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll add that i&#8217;ve never needed my birth certificate for anything since it&#8217;s been amended.  when i moved to arizona, the dmv here simply gave me an az diver&#8217;s license that mirrored my new jersey license.  i managed to get my nj dl sex marker changed, soon after 9/11, without any documentation, by simply walking up to the counter, and suggesting that &#8220;they&#8221; might have made an error when they &#8220;mistakenly&#8221; put the &#8220;m&#8221; under the sex field.  the woman behind the counter gave me a form to fill out, i paid my $5, they took a new picture, and i walked out the door with the elusive &#8220;f&#8221; in the sex field.  she didn&#8217;t even want to see my passport which also had the &#8220;f&#8221; marker.</p>
<p>i doubt that could happen these days.</p>
<p>regarding &#8220;legal gender&#8221; vs. identification, as i see it, it&#8217;s all about sex.  my license doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;gender&#8221;, it says &#8220;sex&#8221;.  my passport doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;gender, it says &#8220;sex&#8221;.  and the state laws with which i am familiar, it&#8217;s not about &#8220;same gender&#8221; marriage, it&#8217;s about &#8220;same sex&#8221; marriage.  i was legally able to marry my husband because my *sex* has been changed legally, according to the documentation i&#8217;ve been able to secure.  my legal sex is female.  my identification reflects my legal sex.  whether or not this would hold up in the eyes of a court of law has yet to be determined, i hope not in my life time.</p>
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		<title>By: trillian</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74376</link>
		<dc:creator>trillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>piny: big crush
thanks for this article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>piny: big crush<br />
thanks for this article</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74375</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penis.  Penis penis penis.  Penis!  

Penis penis.  

That should tide you over.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penis.  Penis penis penis.  Penis!  </p>
<p>Penis penis.  </p>
<p>That should tide you over.</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74363</link>
		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all very nice ;) but I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; waiting for Dawn&#039;s take on it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all very nice ;) but I&#8217;m <i>still</i> waiting for Dawn&#8217;s take on it.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/07/yes/#comment-74349</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Unfortunately, I’ve seen this attitude from other transexual women also. Those who have had surgury (sometimes) tell those like me who have not had surgury that “you’re just wannabes”. Witness the New Woman Conference - they allow only post-op trans women.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...Don&#039;t tell me: panty checks?  I&#039;ve encountered this attitude, as well.  It&#039;s obnoxious--and it tends to be pretty marginalizing towards transmen, since it usually assumes a set of surgical options that simply do not correspond to ours.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Witness also Gwendolyn Ann Smith’s statement (back in 2000, I think) that only post-op transexual women should be admitted to women’s music festivals (such as Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival). When I read about that (six years later), I took Ms Smith off of my bookmarks. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yup.  Whatever self-serving bio/socio-essentialist inconsistencies abound, at least Michfest didn&#039;t pass this one.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, I’ve seen this attitude from other transexual women also. Those who have had surgury (sometimes) tell those like me who have not had surgury that “you’re just wannabes”. Witness the New Woman Conference &#8211; they allow only post-op trans women.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;Don&#8217;t tell me: panty checks?  I&#8217;ve encountered this attitude, as well.  It&#8217;s obnoxious&#8211;and it tends to be pretty marginalizing towards transmen, since it usually assumes a set of surgical options that simply do not correspond to ours.  </p>
<blockquote><p>Witness also Gwendolyn Ann Smith’s statement (back in 2000, I think) that only post-op transexual women should be admitted to women’s music festivals (such as Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival). When I read about that (six years later), I took Ms Smith off of my bookmarks. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yup.  Whatever self-serving bio/socio-essentialist inconsistencies abound, at least Michfest didn&#8217;t pass this one.</p>
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