Comments on: Their Worst Nightmare

By: Raging Moderate

Raging Moderate — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:10:56 +0000

So I don’t know why you think “go slow” is a sensibly moderate position here.

Unfortunately, it’s because I believe it’s a choice between “go slow”, and “go backwards”. The recent gay marriage bans, and the low level of support for gay marriage compared to the higher level of support for civil unions leads me to this conclusion.

By: Rene Varma

Rene Varma — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:41:38 +0000

Please, please keep me going I just got my injection of clopixol this morning ( 150cc’s once every three weeks) and feel much more aligned. I would really love to continue contributing to our society. Rene.

By: zuzu

zuzu — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:17:47 +0000

Rene, I’m putting you on moderation because you’re spamming our comments with nonsequiturs.

Ta.

By: Rene Varma

Rene Varma — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:13:36 +0000

Well, It’s not accidental and sometimes people think I wear the wrong threads and yes I get confused sometimes (with mathematics) As for strategics, well, I’m kinda making it up as I go along though I am quite familiar with he issues I hope and have traveled to three corners of the world to make the observation that generally people prefer cooperation. Heres a song for you little light-such a pretty name::….blue skys….green trees, fluffy white clouds…. riding my bicycle in the park one fine summer day…. oh blue skys, green trees fluffy white clouds. And along comes a butterfly, fluttering, fluttering at my heart, oh how wonderful , how beautiful, butterfly fluttering at my heart. Riding, oh, travelling in the wake of a butterfly…..blue skys. Love from Rene

By: little light

little light — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:19:41 +0000

Rene Varma, you’ve dropped a lot of non-sequitur or off-topic comments in this discussion, and I’m having a hard time deciphering them. Are you accidentally posting to the wrong threads, or confused, or is this strategic on your part?

By: Rene Varma

Rene Varma — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:41:37 +0000

My last comment refers to side stepping issues. What has sexuality got to do with the present times when Amricans are bombing the heaven out of Afghanistan and Iraq. The people there certainly cannot enjoy an evening of love straight or gay. and here we are complaining about our sexual rights. Can you imagine if we had to fuck on the run. That literally means night after night being scared to make love because you might be caught with your skirt down if the front of your house is blown off not to mention your lover not making it back home from the bazaar where she went for milk and bread. Those gals in the white house and pentgon better stop servicing their men cause they are in the service of big oil. Bring our troops home now. Us gals want our men and we want to tell the white house to tell the pentagon to take a cold shower then a warm shower and make more love. Arabs are lovers. Rene Varma

By: Rene Varma

Rene Varma — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:48:31 +0000

Amricans like to envision themselves as getting very famous in order to arrive at the level of personality worship which should really be left to the likes of people like Abdul Gammal Nasser, Martin Luther King, Winston Churchill, Mahatma Gandhi, Charles De Gaul, Nelson Mandela and Mira Alfassa aka Mother. Of course their wives had everything to do with their greatness If you know something about what they stood for you will see it was for Love. Please and okay Amrica let us spend our time loving other people instead of trying to change them, please. Rene Varma

By: astronautgo

astronautgo — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:41:16 +0000

But I’m used to it. I take consolation in the fact the the volume may be louder at the extremes, but elections are decided by those of us in the centre.

A person’s humanity, of course, isn’t something that can be voted upon. It’s inherent.

So I don’t know why you think “go slow” is a sensibly moderate position here. You can maybe make the case that slamming a Mountain Dew and carving “It’s unequivocally wrong to deny an entire class of human beings the legal rights and protections the rest of us enjoy” with your snowboard into a ski slope is totally extreme. In all other cases it’s just a plain ol’ vanilla statement of basic human rights.

By: Raging Moderate

Raging Moderate — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:28:18 +0000

Such is the life of a (slightly left of centre) moderate. The extreme right thinks I’m a commie, and the extreme left thinks I’m a bigot.

But I’m used to it. I take consolation in the fact the the volume may be louder at the extremes, but elections are decided by those of us in the centre.

By: Nanette

Nanette — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:25:56 +0000

I’m not sure the tactics of “moderation”, and “let society get used to it first” and all that stuff actually work… especially not when it comes to the civil and equal rights of segments of the population.

I usually am not described as a radical anything, but I absolutely do not believe that civil rights and such should be put up for a vote, or left to society to decide. When has that ever worked? In the US, anyway. There are still people in the US… and not a marginal number, either – “nice, kindly, well-meaning people, who are not ‘bigots, they just don’t want to be forced into anything” – who bemoan the desegregation of schools, the ending of the Jim Crow laws, the striking down of laws forbidding marriage between people of different races, and so on.

I’m all for codifying equal rights into the law, and then letting “society” just deal. All this tiptoe-ing around about civil unions, partnerships, everything but “marriage”… while marriage is the default for the rest of society (I think it all should be standardized and de-religionized, but that’s a different story), just allows people to put off dealing with their bigotry (or “well-meaning” desires to subjugate other’s lives to their own beliefs), and to feel good about the control they have over others, holding the whip hand as they do, at the same time.