Alright, let me say what worries me about McCain: The amount of Democrats/liberals who believe he only says these things to get elected/win the nomination; that he doesn’t really believe this stuff. I worry that people will forget how he votes and even what he says and stick to this fantasy that he’s really “not that bad”.

fuck, if i’m gonna indulge in THAT sort of thinking, i’ll stick with the damn Democrats! at least they tend to not say quite AS MUCH stuff that horrifies the crap out of me.

seriously, why on earth do people admire this fuckstain? ever since that photo of him clinging to Dubya like the Pillsbury Doughboy squashed around a G.I. Joe doll, especially: why does anyone take him -seriously?- gah.

Maybe you could ask your mother if, having been through labor four times, she’d force someone else to go through it when they didn’t want to give birth. (And if her answer is, “well, they shouldn’t have had sex if they didn’t want to give birth,” then she probably is aware that she advocates using birth as punishment.)

If someone wants to force women to give birth, they do want women to be punished for having sex, whether or not they realize it.

That’s remarkably similar to what the fundies say: pro-choicers do want to murder innocent babies, whether or not they realize it.

I not sure how useful it is to demonize those who disagree with us.

RM, what you and your mother might not realize is that giving birth is not fun.

She gave birth 4 times, so I’m guessing she has an idea of how much “fun” it is.

Why is it not a destruction of a human life when the fetus is the product of a rape?

It still is, but is less offensive to her than forcing a woman to go through the added trauma of giving birth to, and raising the child of her rapist.

Does she support long criminal sentences for women in the non-rape scenarios for destroying the human life?

No. She wishes that it would be made illegal again (we’re Canadian) and that the doctors would be prosecuted if they continue to perform abortions. She believes that women who get abortions are misguided, not bad people worthy of punishment.

I hope you won’t be upset when I express my wish that national policy and Constitutional law aren’t informed by your mother’s personal whims.

Them’s fightin’ words!!!

Just kidding. I only mentioned her as evidence that not all anti-abortionists want to punish women for having sex. They all seem to get painted with that same broad brush (like when the fundies say that all pro-abortion people support the murder of innocent babies).

For what it’s worth, I support the Canadian abortion law; legal at any time during the pregnancy, for any reason.

I hope you won’t be upset when I express my wish that national policy and Constitutional law aren’t informed by your mother’s personal whims. God knows what the country would be like if my Mom ran it.

He was progressive to Republicans

Progressive is not a relative term. I find it hard to believe that Republicans place McCain in the same category as Ned Lamont, Sherrod Brown, and Bernie Sanders.

Because if a woman is raped, then it’s not her “fault” that she’s pregnant, and she should be allowed access to a medical procedure. But women who have the audacity to have sex by choice should be punished. And carrying a pregnancy to term should be a punishment.

I don’t know if it matters, but not all who oppose abortion think this way. My mother is anti-abortion because she believes it is the destruction of a human life, not because she wishes to punish women for having sex. She agrees with the rape exception as she believes it is unfair to force a woman to have a child that would be a permanent reminder of her rape, and a connection to the rapist.

She’s hardly a right wing kook, as she opposes capital punishment, has no problem with contraception, and favours euthanasia (she had to make the decision to “pull the plug” after a stroke left my grandfather in a permanent vegetative state).

Just sayin’.